Now that Diablo 3 is dead, will POE deliver?

I firmly believe the cooldown to potions in D3 was the solution to the game's biggest flaw mechanics wise. If you cannot miss in combat, then the ability to heal at will, repeatedly, is simply overpowered. Thus you are reduced to tactical usage of what is now a limited resource and, to add insult to the mix, you are also relying on RNG in the form of healing globes.

All because Blizzard's way of sidestepping desync issues was to remove its prime cause, that being chance to miss and subtle discrepancies in distance between where you think the game is compared to where the server thinks the game is.

Oh, and this inability to miss, ever, probably had a hand in why pvp was delayed. Sure, pvp in ARPG is nigh impossible to balance, but there is no hit and miss mechanic, I think pvp would be largely reduced to gear checks and skill load out tweaking. The actual combat could be almost automated.

So nevermind Blizzard nerfing builds, with D3, for the sake of more fluid gameplay, they needed an entire mechanic, and in the process removed one of the fundamental elements of compelling, satisfying ARPG combat: the ability to heal whenever you need to provided you have been thoughtful with your healing resource management.

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FireSkull wrote:

In D1, there were mana potions, rej potions and hp potions.
In D2!!! We had gas potions, exploding potions, antidote potions, thawing potions, rej potions in 2 calibers, mana and hp potions in Minor, light, normal great and super. We also had stamina potions.

In D3 every class have tailor made resource systems all with different ways of repleneshing, instead of tacky one-fits all. Survival by HP pot spam has also been replaced with a ton of different features.
It's the opposite of dumbed down.

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FireSkull wrote:

D1 was actually the best diablo game in terms of scrolls, D3 does not even have scrolls.

What a remarkable revelation. THE BEST DIABLO GAME IN TERMS OF SCROLL! THAT DOES IT, I'M ON YOUR SIDE, D3 SUCKS!! Oh wait...

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FireSkull wrote:

Instead we just had to right click items for identify, and click on portal icon for portal.. then yet another useless cooldown for no reason. So nooby.

I am extremely glad that those pointless relics are gone from D3.
What cooldown??

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FireSkull wrote:

I dont even want to get started on gems.... Along with runes.... And Jewels.. :D

I will however agree that they failed with the items.

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Charan wrote:

I firmly believe the cooldown to potions in D3 was the solution to the game's biggest flaw mechanics wise. If you cannot miss in combat, then the ability to heal at will, repeatedly, is simply overpowered.

Wow... You have said many ridiculous things, but this probably takes the price.
Why is the ability to heal at will overpowered just because you can't miss?^^ I would love to hear you explain the logic behind that statement.

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Charan wrote:

Oh, and this inability to miss, ever, probably had a hand in why pvp was delayed. Sure, pvp in ARPG is nigh impossible to balance, but there is no hit and miss mechanic, I think pvp would be largely reduced to gear checks and skill load out tweaking. The actual combat could be almost automated.

How is it more of a gear check just because there is no hit/miss mechanic??

There is dodge btw.

Blizzard moved from pot spam with D3 by having a multitude of ways to heal in game. Skills have residual heals, pots are on a cooldown, health globes appear & can be affected by gear, shrines, life steal ect ect. The game is set up in a way where you will take damage no matter what class you are. They made it so that as you progress through the game your character has to be able to deal with increased incoming damage by either damage reduction or life steal. Glass cannons are not welcome in D3 & even if you have enough dps to one shot everything before it gets on screen you will also one shot yourself every time a reflect mob rears it's ugly head. The game is essentially one big gear check. It's a bad system but it kinda works until you hit inferno, then the whole 'double it' bs knocks it off kilter. Nowadays inferno is actually much more in line with the rest of the game & although it is a lot easier than at launch, as far as the whole damage/gear progression goes it's much more fluid. They added the monster powers for people who are ahead of that curve.

D3 pvp will have dodge mechanics compared to the cannot miss pve. Monks can stack up to 80% dodge aswell as the buff for casting the mantra which is 100% for 0.5s (if memory serves). Demon hunters & WD's also have 100% dodge buffs. I have no idea why Blizz are delaying pvp for so long but to say that their pvp has(will have) no hit & miss mechanic is simply incorrect.

Cannot miss is also applied to melee mobs too. You cannot run past a melee mob & dodge their attacks by putting distance between you & the mob before the attack animation. The hit mechanic of D3 is where if you are in range of the mob when they start the animation, then you will get hit by it (unless you dodge/block with gear) no matter where you are when the actual animation would connect. This is actually my biggest problem with D3. I won't quote Bashiok but the post that made my heart sink was when he said it takes no skill & it's not enjoyable to dodge attack animations with the mouse & should be done with stats & gear. This is when I realised the game is just a big spreadsheet to them where its just a case of A-B has to = C.

D3 is a gearcheck, it's all about gear & skills come second. POE is about skills & gear comes second. EDIT: By skills I mean abilities & not 1337skillz.

thanks for the correction regarding pvp, lethal. I clearly need to stop operating under extremely outdated information. Broadstroke apology for that one.

Sickness, I think that the combination of never missing in combat and potion spamming at will would make for extremely boring gameplay, which is likely why I would never take resolute technique. The health globe system irked me when it was announced and actively frustrated me in practice.

Anyway, D3 is your chosen cross to near in this overwhelmingly 'pagan' landscape, not mine. Best of luck with that.

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Charan wrote:

thanks for the correction regarding pvp, lethal. I clearly need to stop operating under extremely outdated information. Broadstroke apology for that one.

It's always good to play the game before bashing it!

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Charan wrote:

Sickness, I think that the combination of never missing in combat and potion spamming at will would make for extremely boring gameplay, which is likely why I would never take resolute technique. The health globe system irked me when it was announced and actively frustrated me in practice.

Fine, that's your opinion. But it seems odd. It's just another DPS stat. What does attacking a mob and dealing 0 damage add that is so important for your enjoyment? And what in the world has it got to do with potions?^^

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Charan wrote:

Anyway, D3 is your chosen cross to near in this overwhelmingly 'pagan' landscape, not mine. Best of luck with that.

I only look like a big D3 supporter in contrast to the D3 bashing crew on these forums. I am very much looking forward to PoE open beta. Oh, and I have played my main character in TL2 longer than the main one in D3.

For most of the people that did not had access to close beta, the open beta will be the point where they will discover this game. Even incomplete most features will be there in open beta and people will now witch game will love most.
This game looks a lot more than D3 and i think D3 developers will not be passive and lunch new patches and stuff. It will be a nice competition that will make both games better, but after years only one game will "survive".
May the best game win.

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FireSkull wrote:

And since the skilltree in D3 sucks so badly i dont even care for the ressource system. Maybe i would if the skill tree was not so horrible....

The design of the skilltree or equivalent system(it's not actually a skilltree) have got nothing to do with the resourse system.

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FireSkull wrote:

Still the boring healing potions in D3 are so boring compared to D1 and D2.

But only a retard would compare them directly to eachother.

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FireSkull wrote:

But we could still have a bunch of other potions. Just because we cant have mana potions does not mean that we could not have other potions. How is that not dumbed down?

They are just removed. That's not dumbed down.

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FireSkull wrote:

Also i really hate the health globe system. It reminds me of Super Mario or something like that. PoE does it right with Flasks that way, d3 just putted some primtive mario health globes in the game. Its just BORING.

Superablo 64.

What is so bad with the health globe system? I personally like the thrill of running for that health globe to save your life when you have run out of defensive options.