Lets bump PoE on Metacritic

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Hilbert wrote:

Nope. Just add only not free to delete character FullResistTemplar and you will see that I will only come online for different race types.

I played CB. I liked CB.
I played 2 weeks in OB I hated it (On top of that devs lied to me about some obvious nerfs, yeah I am on an unlucky streak outside the 3 sigma interval....)
I did the 1 week Turbo and it reminded me why I hate Cruel/Merciless/Endgame.
I actively raced in Season 2, in all other seasons I did around less than 20 races.


As long the Game is that horrible form of an MMORPG you won't see me anytime online anymore outside of races.(Don't expect me to see me on 1 weekers no matter which mods they have)


My goal is either an own league so I can undo all horrible changes or make players use MMO terminology and make the devs finally call their game a MMORPG.

Well, this is not and will never be MMORPG, it's pretty much a co-op game, that's it, only MMOish aspect of this game, is the trading. I would actually love if they wouldn't try so hard to make PoE an MMORPG, game would only benefit from that if they treaded it like a single player co-op game, because then they could focus more on you getting good amounts of fun, and less on the economy and sht like that.
But still, there is no other ARPG out there that beats PoE, not even D2, it is too outdated. And the fact that a handful of people made this work in combination how fun this is, is an automatic 8/10 if not 9/10.

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I find it somewhat ironic that, you can play in races but can't play in the core game, for which is what races builds upon. And with your short play times, it does makes one wonder if we should even take your opinions seriously... Of course nothing is stopping you from just express it out there, but that short of thing don't really belong in general discussion imo.

Can in terms of being able and not doing it because you detest it are 2 different things.

I invested far too much time at OB release just to find a stupid MMO grinding hell and quit after 2 weeks.
And guess what. The feedback I posted on the first 3 days(I killed piety by then) was the same negative feedback other players posted after weeks and most players left.
I don't need thousands of hours Grinding Experience to value is.


I have mentioned it several times that I hate MMO. But if everything gameplay related gets designed by 2 devs who love MMO and think PoE needs more MMO influence you can't expect me to play such a game.

I take CB as a basis. I liked CB! And you should expect some people to be smarter than the usual button mashing idiots.
You see me complaining about legacy items?
I complain about gameplay issues! I think legacy items are bad for a game because they focus on new leagues and leave corpses on the old ones.


I can kill Dominius on a high character without button mashing him and estimate the duration of the combat on normal level characters.
I can tell you that killing Dominius on a balanced character level will take 20-30 minutes on normal and 30-40 on cruel. Those are times you have to expect from MMO games and not ARPGs.
And there certainly won't be a patch note:"Dominius has only 50% of it's initial HP now"
No Mob HP gets buffed because it's they typical MMO way.

The only time a mob got less HP was the Addional Life / ES multiplier on bigger parties which resulted level 60 mobs having 20k ES for each partymember and it was considered as a bugfix.

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Well, this is not and will never be MMORPG, it's pretty much a co-op game, that's it, only MMOish aspect of this game, is the trading.

You must trade because drop rates and vendor receips are crap aka time consuming!
Bad Droprates-->Typical for MMORPG
The gameplay is 4 times slower than in CB-->Slow Progression = typical for MMORPG
One Shot Gear Check Mechanics-->Hello MMORPG with a RM Store or subscription fees.

Or look how stuff gets promoted: "Guilds you know from several MMORPGS"

And you still call it an ARPG?

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But still, there is no other ARPG out there that beats PoE, not even D2, it is too outdated.

That's your opinion. Imo the classic D2 is far superior to the current PoE.
And there are other good ARPGs but they have shitty publishers who force the devs to release a sequel/ XPaC every 1-2 years so the playerbase will be split into many small groups.

Imagine Players could stay at a patch they liked in PoE. That's the situation on other ARPGs.

@Hilbert: You said 2 weeks in your previous post, so... :/
I did not mention "not doing it", since it was you who mentioned that you're unable to.

If only everything can be changed on a whim, without consequences and issues, sadly that's not the case here and things requires time. It's also GGG's game, not ours. We give feedback and ideas, and it's up to GGG to fix, add or twist things into their own ways. It's the classic "take it or leave it", but with a twist of "but it will be improved upon" kinda thing.
Also what RPG video game out there do you NOT grind? You shouldn't be playing video games if you hate Exp grinding of some sort, for which almost every game out there nowadays have them.
And you have to remember, PoE is a on-going game that is still in development. More contents will be added in the future, and the grind will be made shorter(this has already been talked about before by GGG).
Also read this: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/55086
You should also stick it in your signature that your a MMO hater(but somehow your still playing Online Games), rather then us playing the guessing game here(how the hell were we suppose to know beforehand?).

You quoted me, with what seem like a compliant regarding legacy items... If that were not your intentions, then please don't take my previous reply about that seriously, as it was more of a fact then a personal reply(since many people wouldn't have know that). Also If I remember correctly, Legacy items weren't removed entirely, is because then people would bitch about it...bitching would happen either way anyway lol.

20-30min on a balanced characters, because guess what; it's balanced. PoE's got NOTHING on a real traditional MMORPG(eg. play more MMORPGs). Way to go contradicting yourself.

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Imagine Players could stay at a patch they liked in PoE. That's the situation on other ARPGs.

Right, because they are a modern online game? As if other ARPGs, old or new, offline or online, doesn't go through changes, that would either upset, depress or make players happy.
Also you would have to pirate those games, if we wanna do what you said.

/andimdoneherezzz

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Hilbert wrote:

And once you reach merciless you must start grinding. Wanna do maps? Better grinded your brain out because it's all about gearchecks. Not having 75% reduce in dunes or 8k+ EHP? You die.
Not having 90% Fire res in crematorium.

aha, i never had 8k hp and did 72 maps...


Why do people downvote? Because its the internet and people love to hate. Simple as that. I like the game, melee seems to be viable. Its again ok for live based builds and Energy Shield is not the absolute Top Dog. And i feel good because its still world of casters but hopefully not that dominant.

What people should realize, this 4 month leagues create a great database to look at changes. They did this with onslougt and well, LiveBasedBuilds where way to underpowered so they buffed stamina again. And the buffed melee even more because it seems it was still not that common. I rarely saw a melee in my group. If there was one he just could do shit against bosses in many maps. Not the way I would enjoy my game if i can help clear trash kind of ok but when its boss time, big loot time, just stay back and watch how i get carried...great.

ps: GGG plz give us our old Shout back, want to have 2 or 3 Shouts to stack my bubbles up to detonate them. This way its way to slow. And oFc great job! Keep it up and because its the internet you know you have to live with hate.

River of self righteous entitled little baby tears in this thread. Stop letting what other people have or do ruin the game for you. If you wanted the legacy items then you should have maybe played in the beta more. It makes no difference anyway. also quit with the "I cant run 8 auras at once" bs. its ridiculous and overpowered the way it was. so obvious.

In less than a few months there will be new items that will probably be better anyway. The skill tree is actually better than it was before with the nodes combining and shifting around a little. There are also different leagues with different challenges to keep the game fresh. at least give the game longer than 9 hours before you condemn it.

and also 10/10 for me.

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Also what RPG video game out there do you NOT grind? You shouldn't be playing video games if you hate Exp grinding of some sort, for which almost every game out there nowadays have them.

The amount of grinding is essential!
A bit of grinding with the feeling of rewards is good.

PoE grinding= Slow as Hell, no risk reward and unrewarding.

Investing 10-30 minutes just to get a kick your ass are "MF runs" I should refer them as raids.

Level 100 in docks. Years of 24/7 grinding.....
The last 21 levels are a grinding hell and barely any players play beyond level 92.
I see MMORPG players quit because they get bored of grinding at level 9x.
The timeinvestnment in this game if off the scale.

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PoE is a on-going game that is still in development. More contents will be added in the future, and the grind will be made shorter(this has already been talked about before by GGG).

I remember GGG said the released version will be a game they will be proud of(Did the devs beside the MMORPG player Neonspyder ever played the Endgamecontent without cheated EQ?)
But it's just another Beta Version.
4 weeks hype is down and it's the same situation.

Shorter Grind of course. By moving Alira Oak and Kraytin WPs further away.
The WF Blackguardboss doesn't drop anything because it's trivial.

But that Maximus Skeletal Beast is next to the WP and I can promise you. Either the drops will be nerfed like hell or the WP will be moved further away.
ARPGs don't care about Uniques being close to WPs but MMOPRGs do!

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Also read this: "MMORPGlink"

I will call it an MMORPG as long it uses typical MMORPG mechanics.
Should I repost over and over why POE is an MMOPRG.

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You should also stick it in your signature that your a MMO hater(but somehow your still playing Online Games), rather then us playing the guessing game here(how the hell were we suppose to know beforehand?).

Timeinvestment is the key! If you can make it withing 12h to Endgame with an acceptable level it's fine.
If you have to grind over and over again to relevel yourself, that's entirely stupid.
PoE Endgame for most players = 30h+ timeinvestment.

Mfruns turn into raids because they take far too long.
Compare several Genres that work and those failing:
Shooters-->Short Matches 3-5min
RTS->Short matches 3-7min
Real Strategy Games->1-2h->Nobody is playing
ARPG->3min MF runs.
PoE-> unrewarding 10-30min raids

You can't sit down anytime and finish a single MFrun if you are short on time. You have invest so much time the prior instance resets.

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Legacy items weren't removed entirely, is because then people would bitch about it...bitching would happen either way anyway lol.

No because they can't do it fast it would require to shut down the servers and there is a NO WIPE anymore policy.

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20-30min on a balanced characters, because guess what; it's balanced. PoE's got NOTHING on a real traditional MMORPG(eg. play more MMORPGs). Way to go contradicting yourself.

You think 20-30min fighting is normal? The AI is really fast and what's left is a high HP punching pag.....
You live in the illusion that you play ARPGS but in reality you are a MMO player to the core.

The balance devs don't understand that HP doesn't make the game harder, it makes it slower and boring.

Have you ever played an ARPG where you have high characters of each class and don't have to play 180h+?

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Right, because they are a modern online game? As if other ARPGs, old or new, offline or online, doesn't go through changes, that would either upset, depress or make players happy.
Also you would have to pirate those games, if we wanna do what you said.

You don't get anything I said. I don't talk about changes. I talk about the cash cow policy of publishers.
It might even be just a lazy ass XPaC offering 1-2 more acts and new items without any gameplay changes.
You still can play the original game but the majority of players will move to the XPaC.
Then XpaC 2 comes out and you have 3 different playerbases.
Imagine PoE had Patch 0.9.11 0.10.0 and 1.0.0 as playerbases.

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aha, i never had 8k hp and did 72 maps...

I said or! Visit certain map bosses with a failed gearcheck and you get one shot.

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Why do people downvote? Because its the internet and people love to hate.

There are fanboys 10/10 and haters 1/10.
To create hate you must anger people first. Such as ruin somebodies build or legacy items.

I am comparing CB to OB with mechanic and gameplay changes and my rating for cruel/merciless/endgame is poor.

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What people should realize, this 4 month leagues create a great database to look at changes.

They create nothing because people will copy effective builds and Quarl only looks at high End builds to nerf skills totally killing them on unfinished characters, with too high mana costs or too low damage.

the amount of butthurt and tears in this thread just made my day,ty guys!The strange thing is,why play a game and be active on forums,when it's an abysmal 1/10?

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Hilbert wrote:

But that Maximus Skeletal Beast is next to the WP and I can promise you. Either the drops will be nerfed like hell or the WP will be moved further away.
ARPGs don't care about Uniques being close to WPs but MMOPRGs do!

You're probably right about the incoming nerf, but the point following it is completely incorrect. Nearly all online ARPGs do care about farming methods that are considered too efficient.

Rather than providing examples for each game, I'll just focus on the game you would likely respond with -- the beloved Diablo 2. Being able to quickly respawn instances and farm easily accessible unique monsters was a problem in D2. Blizzard's solution to the problem was to limit the rate at which you could respawn instances. Is Diablo 2 not an ARPG because of this?

Many months ago I thought (and hoped) your posts were satire, but over time my hope has faded. Maybe you're a master ruseman, or maybe you're just an extremely unpleasant person.

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Blizzard's solution to the problem was to limit the rate at which you could respawn instances. Is Diablo 2 not an ARPG because of this?

Wrong. Blizzard introduced Queue,Realm Down in D2 or an Inputlimit in D3 because of BOTTING. Not playing.
They only tried to counter botting something that will be a problem in future because a Serbian hiring coders to write bots for each game he is selling.

They even had an input check on their AH because botting got focussed on the AH to snipe certain offers.

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Many months ago I thought (and hoped) your posts were satire, but over time my hope has faded. Maybe you're a master ruseman, or maybe you're just an extremely unpleasant person.

Or maybe I am somebody who thinks that OB was an utter failure in terms of an ARPGs and it was a huge mistake to use somebody in balancing who wrote in his CV: "To finish computer science as fast possible and play MMORPG all day"

For PoE I have mainly 2 goals: Either make the devs finally admit that PoE is an MMORPG and advertise it as one or get private leagues as soon possible so modders can show the devs how it is really done.

A good game doesn't lose 90% of its population within 4 weeks.
Even a franchise Reputation like Star Wars/Diablo/TES doesn't mean the game is good.

Gave it a 10/10 because its an awesome game.

So many whining babies crying for stupid reasons lol.

Wawaaaaaa my op broken BETA build is getting BALANCED. Can't roflstomp all maps now.

Wawaaaaaa they made legacy items in the dumpster league and I can't be as rich as others in the most stale and meaningless market in the game.

Grow up or go play something better. Oh wait.....