Let Us Craft The Ultimate Ring

considering i only linked hardcore items in this thread you can throw out the idea of me liking "glass cannons"

giving up defensive specs on rings isn't "glass cannon" its just the logical thing to do if you are going for ultimate gear.

it's no different than giving up defensive specs on my weapons. you don't want a tri-res bow, for instance.

also, blackgleam is trash, even when coupled with LG.

blackgleam you lose a staggering 70% crit multiplier. holy shit. not to mention flat damage rolls and WED.

you can't beat a good crit bow with an LG, it just cannot happen because your DPS is just a wash after losing sooooooooo much crit. you're talking missing out on like 12 - 15% flat crit chance.

for instance, to get 50% crit chance with LG, you need +900% increased critical strike chance. lol. or 650% + 5 power charges. good luck.

to get 50% with a crit bow, you need ~629% crit chance, or 379% + 5 power charges. a lot more doable.

critting is everything when it comes to dps

and no, it's not ab out "highest possible dps" its about having a balanced character. if you have ultimate survivability on all your survive gear, then you can ultimate dps on your dps gear. its about maximizing the potential on each slot. getting 79 life does not maximize the potential of a ring, not even close.

most hardcore builds are 60 - 80% stat/survivability nodes and only 20 - 40% or so dps nodes.

For a facebreaker, the ultimate ring would be:

Base: Iron Ring (1-4 physical dmg)

Prefix:

Annealed: 6-9 to 13-15 physical dmg
Virile: 70-79 life
Remora's: 1-2% life leech from physical dmg

Suffix:

Of Ease: 8-10% attack speed
Of the Rainbow: 15-16% elemental resist
Of the Exile: 26-30% chaos resist

If I was to try and craft a ring, a few of the mods I would be fine with a lower rolled prefix/suffix. The main one for me is getting a top physical dmg roll + the attack speed roll. I would settle for a slightly worse life mod, or the all resist could be one tier lower, or the chaos resist is optional.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Of Ease: 8-10% attack speed

This suffix does not exist on rings. The maximum is 7%.

I really doubt any existing rare bow based build can come anywhere close to aura based lionseye+BG after accounting for gear cost mostly because such a bow does not exist and it would still be a close race even so. You would need to show me an example of one so i could compare stats and cost side by side.

You can still build for crit on a lionseye if you really wanted to and having 15-20% additional accuracy is a huge dps gain.


The nice part about crit is that it only takes the suffix slots on your amulet and quiver so you could always 'squeeze' out more dps that way.

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Nephalim wrote:

I really doubt any existing rare bow based build can come anywhere close to aura based lionseye+BG after accounting for gear cost mostly because such a bow does not exist and it would still be a close race even so. You would need to show me an example of one so i could compare stats and cost side by side.

You can still build for crit on a lionseye if you really wanted to and having 15-20% additional accuracy is a huge dps gain.


The nice part about crit is that it only takes the suffix slots on your amulet and quiver so you could always 'squeeze' out more dps that way.

wat.

did you miss the patches that have been going on?

it's fairly trivial to hit 90 - 95% accuracy even against 78/79 mobs...and what percentage of your time do you spend on mobs like those? not many. for most mobs in the game, i am fairly sure im 95% chance to hit, and thats with a meager 2100 accuracy. it would be hard to prove without testing....im level 78, and it shows 90% chance to hit, so yeah. and i have plenty more passives to go and i could probably boost it a few points with a single accuracy node if i wanted to (the ones i have are the ones in the ranger starting area, so i think i have +40% accuracy on the tree from two combo nodes). and my gear is missing a ton, as well.

accuracy is not the bugbear it used to be. you could call it a passive nerf to lioneye in the sense that one of its main benefits (never missing) is now much easier to overcome than it used to be say, four months ago.

but yeah it seems like you have missed the memo my friend.

critting + nice quivers has been winning for a while now. even for people using lioneye, nobody uses blackgleam anymore, at least not in the serious leagues or with crit builds. it's just not strong enough.

Its interesting how most of these theory crafted "Ultimate items" haven't even dropped in this game yet. It makes me wonder if the RNG is actually random or not. You can think of any specific random combination of garbage mods and they all exist in great quantities.

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Nephalim wrote:

after accounting for gear cost

Sounds like you belong in "let us buy the most cost effective cheapo working gear off the trade channel" thread, rather than the

craft an ultimate ring thread

no discussion or reference to cost belongs in this thread except the cost of exchanging one stat or item for a different stat or item in terms of....stats.

as in, you give up 30 hp for 30 crit chance. you don't give up 30 hp for 5 exalts. the stat->currency relation is not at all the topic of this thread. we're talking about BEST POSSIBLE, not "cost effective"

You would need to show me a build, gearset and some actual numbers before bluntly saying rare crit rare bow > lions+bg. Two builds similar level and cost side by compared by health and dps.

if you want to compare two theoretical gear sets with imaginary mirror gear then thats fine too but itll be hard to accurately measure dps and more important damage output unless you mean crit only wins if every gear slot is a mirror. Show me a perfect crit rare bow gear set vs a perfect lions+bg gear set and tell me the former is actually better accounting for surviability as well as damage output.

Also, getting that even much accuracy is not as easy as you make it out to be unless unless youre 1) using sub par accuracy nodes or devoting suffixes to accuracy on gear.

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Nephalim wrote:

sub par accuracy nodes

I suppose Finesse constitues a "sub par accuracy node"

Finesse:
+8% increased Attack Speed
+20% increased Accuracy Rating
+20 to Dexterity.

Awful. Too bad it's right in the start of the Ranger tree and impossible to miss. Terrible node. Sub par.

That's actually the one of two accuracy nodes I have. So yeah, two "sub par accuracy node" gear, gear, and dex, and I'm sitting on 90% hit on 78 mobs which I barely encounter.

How easy is it to hit a 74 mob vs a 78 mob? Probably a SHITLOAD easier. I bet I'm 93%+.

Edit: I do have another accuracy node besides finnese, its the one in between flat attack speed and flat proj dmg in ranger start

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tikitaki wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

sub par accuracy nodes

I suppose Finesse constitues a "sub par accuracy node"

Finesse:
+8% increased Attack Speed
+20% increased Accuracy Rating
+20 to Dexterity.

Awful. Too bad it's right in the start of the Ranger tree and impossible to miss. Terrible node. Sub par.

That's actually the only accuracy node I have. So yeah, one "sub par accuracy node" gear, gear, and dex, and I'm sitting on 90% hit on 78 mobs which I barely encounter.

How easy is it to hit a 74 mob vs a 78 mob? Probably a SHITLOAD easier. I bet I'm 93%+.

Can you post your gear set and skill tree then so we can get an idea of what a crit build looks like and how youre able to get 2000 accuracy.