Let Us Craft The Ultimate Ring

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Nephalim wrote:
12% lightning dmg i think would be marginal and accuracy is worthless for RT users.

the main question is if 79 life > 1 ele roll


1) If you have Ultimate Gear, you don't need RT, ever. Spec out of that fucking garbage. You want to crit. That means you need accuracy. Ultimate gear + RT = TRAVESTY.

Also, why on Earth would you think that ring would be for an RT user at all? I designed it with a Diamond Ring base. Logically, it's obviously for critting, which is why no RT and why you need accuracy (no Lioneye - not ultimate enough).

2) 12% lightning dmg is a shitload if all your gear is stacked with lightning and you use LA. That means with one ring you'd have +48% increased Lightning Damage. That's insane. The alternatives would be perhaps mana regen because you almost surely aren't using blood magic either as a skill gem or a passive - that's not very "ultimate" either.

3) Of course an ele roll is better than 79 life. Did you read my post? Life is abundant. Flat damage is not.
Last edited by tikitaki#3010 on Sep 3, 2013, 8:26:32 PM
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tikitaki wrote:
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Nephalim wrote:
12% lightning dmg i think would be marginal and accuracy is worthless for RT users.

the main question is if 79 life > 1 ele roll


1) If you have Ultimate Gear, you don't need RT, ever. Spec out of that fucking garbage. You want to crit. That means you need accuracy. Ultimate gear + RT = TRAVESTY.

Also, why on Earth would you think that ring would be for an RT user at all? I designed it with a Diamond Ring base. Logically, it's obviously for critting, which is why no RT and why you need accuracy (no Lioneye - not ultimate enough).

2) 12% lightning dmg is a shitload if all your gear is stacked with lightning and you use LA. That means with one ring you'd have +48% increased Lightning Damage. That's insane. The alternatives would be perhaps mana regen because you almost surely aren't using blood magic either as a skill gem or a passive - that's not very "ultimate" either.

3) Of course an ele roll is better than 79 life. Did you read my post? Life is abundant. Flat damage is not.


So youre telling people to use lions eye and get accuracy on their rings?

for reference
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tikitaki wrote:
The ultimate ring...

Lets see, if you need the ultimate ring then let's assume all your other gear is ultimate.

Now let's look at your current choices - not based on how strong they are. We will get to that later. Look at them based on how much of it you can get and where - we will assume everything is rare, not unique.

1) Life. You can get life on every single slot. It's an abundant stat.

2) Flat ES/Evasion/Armour. You can get it automatically as an "intrinsic" on any armour piece (depending on base type), and jewelery pieces can get it in small quantities. Amulets can roll a percentage.

3) Weapon Elemental Damage. Can be obtained on weapons, quivers, amulets, rings, and belts.

4) Flat Added Damage. Weapons, amulets, rings, gloves (small quantities), quivers (quantities).

5) Rarity. Rarity is helms, amulets, rings, gloves as both prefixes and suffixes, as well as being an intrinsic of an amulet and a ring type.



These are the main ones people look for with prefixes. One thing that should strike you immediately is that jewelry pieces tend to have the ability to roll both offensive and defensive stats, but armour pieces can often just roll defensively.

This biases you towards the offensive stats already, again assuming you have "ultimate" gear. With all those perfect armour pieces you have, you should be able to attain incredibly high survivability unless there is a problem with your skill tree.

So me personally, for a ring...I would automatically strike off life, and flat ES/armour/evasion as possibilities for an ULTIMATE ring.

The suffixes would be similar. I would forego all-resist completely - and if I really needed the resists I would trade the coral for a prismatic because 12 all-resist is much harder to get than 30 life...But again, you shouldn't, you have "ultimate" gear!!

And even now that we know the ring is going to be offensively oriented, the exact rolls that accomplish this will depend on the build you are using. If you are a spellcaster, attack speed won't do anything and that's just an easy example.

Here would be AN ultimate ring for an LA user, but it would only be possible in softcore (or anarchy until it ends). A caster ring, or really ultimate ring for any particular build, would look different.

Diamond Ring
+30% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
+3 - 72 Lightning Damage
+17 - 40 Cold Damage
+36% increased Weapon Elemental Damage
+7% increased Attack Speed
+400 Accuracy Rating
+12% increased Lightning Damage

Drool. Do you have any idea what that would do for my damage? =p

Also:
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MasterCard wrote:
3. Base Added Lightning Damage, Arcing Roll, 1-43 Lighting Damage


1-43 is not the max. 3 - 72 is the max for rings. Here's one of mine, still not max tho.




IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Sep 3, 2013, 8:39:09 PM
No, I did not say to get Lioneye. I assumed no RT and no Lioneye.

What are you even babbling out, and why am I even replying to you?

I put a fair bit of effort into those posts. If you don't want to read it and start randomly replying with 1-sentence responses and putting words into my mouth, I'm done here.
Last edited by tikitaki#3010 on Sep 3, 2013, 8:43:09 PM
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tikitaki wrote:
No, I did not say to get Lioneye.

What are you even babbling out, and why am I even replying to you?

I put a fair bit of effort into those posts. If you don't want to read it and start randomly replying with 1-sentence responses and putting words into my mouth, I'm done here.


I was seeking clarification for a seemingly very contradictory series of statements.


Spoiler
(no Lioneye - not ultimate enough)


I assume this means if you are not using lioneye - you are not ultimate, or, you should be using lionseye.

Spoiler

Diamond Ring
+30% increased Global Critical Strike Chance
+3 - 72 Lightning Damage
+17 - 40 Cold Damage
+36% increased Weapon Elemental Damage
+7% increased Attack Speed
+400 Accuracy Rating
+12% increased Lightning Damage


I assume this means you want 400 accuracy on your ultimate ring.


From this, we can logically conclude you are promoting lions eye users to also get 400 accuracy as a suffix on their ultimate ring. Did I somehow put something in your mouth you did not just explicitly state?
IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
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tikitaki wrote:
no Lioneye - not ultimate enough


How anybody could possibly read that and say "oh he means definitely get a Lioneye!" will fucking confound me for days.

Thanks for burying my post amongst your contentless posts accusing me of saying things I didn't say.

NO LIONEYE = NO LIONEYE

seems pretty simple.

i need a drink now. or maybe i need a NO DRINK? does NO DRINK = DRINK? god knows

the not ultimate enough is obviously refering to the lioneye itself. as in, NO LIONEYE, NOT ULTIMATE ENOUGH.

maybe you're trolling me. that must be it. great.

Troll.
Last edited by tikitaki#3010 on Sep 3, 2013, 8:52:37 PM
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tikitaki wrote:
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tikitaki wrote:
no Lioneye - not ultimate enough


How anybody could possibly read that and say "oh he means definitely get a Lioneye!" will fucking confound me for days.

Thanks for burying my post amongst your contentless posts accusing me of saying things I didn't say.

NO LIONEYE = NO LIONEYE

seems pretty simple.

i need a drink now. or maybe i need a NO DRINK? does NO DRINK = DRINK? god knows


Actually it could be understood several ways

No lionseye, thus not ultimate enough
No lionseye because its not ultimate enough

so which did you mean? What bow would an ultimate build use?

IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Sep 3, 2013, 8:54:48 PM
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Nephalim wrote:
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tikitaki wrote:
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tikitaki wrote:
no Lioneye - not ultimate enough


How anybody could possibly read that and say "oh he means definitely get a Lioneye!" will fucking confound me for days.

Thanks for burying my post amongst your contentless posts accusing me of saying things I didn't say.

NO LIONEYE = NO LIONEYE

seems pretty simple.

i need a drink now. or maybe i need a NO DRINK? does NO DRINK = DRINK? god knows


Actually it could be understood several ways

No lionseye, thus not ultimate enough
No lionseye because its not ultimate enough

so which did you mean? What bow would an ultimate build use?



I JUST SAID WHAT I MEAN. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

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the not ultimate enough is obviously refering to the lioneye itself. as in, NO LIONEYE, NOT ULTIMATE ENOUGH.


WHY WOULD I CONTRADICT MYSELF? if im suggesting accuracy obviously theres no god damn lioneye involved, which means all you have to do is understand context.
stop trolling me.

thanks for derailing the thread, troll
Last edited by tikitaki#3010 on Sep 3, 2013, 8:57:42 PM
Thats fair enough, tell me what bow the ultimate build use then?
IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
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Nephalim wrote:
Thats fair enough, tell me what bow the ultimate build use then?


that would be situational on your passive tree but it would be a rare bow, probably a thicket or imperial, with a lot of damage prefixes and a lot of damage suffixes. phys bows and ele bows both work, and are both "ultimate" in different ways.

thickets are better for ele, imperials are better for physical. most people take what they can get ;)

it would basically look something like this:

+DAMAGE
+DAMAGE
+DAMAGE
+ATTACK SPEED
+CRIT
+CRIT MULTI (accuracy would also be good, or proj speed. weapons can't roll a huge amount of crit multi)

generally speaking though if you have flat phys you also want phys%, so they come in at least a pair. phys + phys% + flat lightning is pretty popular. tri-ele is fine. etc.



mines for sale. =p
Last edited by tikitaki#3010 on Sep 3, 2013, 9:07:36 PM
ultimate would probably require:
phys %
phys flat
ele light

ias
crit
crit


the main reason is so blackgleams can covert half to fire, and la can convert the other half to light and you get a ridiculous amount of damage from hatred which is dependent on physical damage.

perfect tri ele thickets are actually vastly inferior to lionseye + hatred + blackgleam. There was one going for 120 exalts a while back but i think the buyer vendored it when he realized the above statement.

Also, even though life shows up on more gear, ultimate should not be 'highest possible dps' or else you are just cramming dps nodes + dps mods. ultimate should instead entail a certain level of balance of dps and surviability. Something like life/2.5 * LA dps could give an 'ultimate rating' to objectively compare builds side by side.

Again, if your idea of ultimate is a 2500 life glass cannon LA ranger than i would really have to disagree.

Finally, this equation is thrown out of the door if steady level progression(reflect mechanics) are also a factor.
IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214
Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Sep 3, 2013, 9:08:53 PM

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