PoE Vs Diablo 3 new expansion

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Startkabels wrote:


Man it is exactly the same: Skills and gear make the character slightly different
. The passive tree looks like it brings a lot of diversity but it really doesn't. Again: Marauder: RT/IR/US/Life. You pretend that playing a ranged Marauder makes any sense at all, that is illogical and will make it even harder to build your character



Here's the problem. In D3 your Barbarian is not unique to any other Barbarian. I personally never felt like there was much choice.

You suggest that all Mara's have to go RT/IR/US/Life. Whats funny to me is that my very strong Mara and one of my favorite characters does not us IR or US. I simply do not need them or want them. That's a choice I made on my particular build something I would not be able to do in D3.

You suggest that gear is the same although from my memory its completely different. It felt really silly to be to be running around as a wizard in Diablo 3 using a two handed axe just because there was no reason at the time to use a wand or staff to cast spells over an axe. Everyone knows D3 failed hard in regards to uniques, maybe the patch will make it better, let me know when D3 has game changing uniques such as Aegis Aurora that you can build around.
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Startkabels wrote:
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skinnay wrote:
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Startkabels wrote:

-Races? Forget it, not enough time to seriously compete with the no lifers
-Wealth? Forget it, I only play melee and to progress I have to spend all the currency I find to buy new gear. And I do not find much currency. Also I cannot invest in magic find, melee is already weak and investing in IIR/IIQ would make me even more weak
-Choice? Not really, as a melee you need all the life you can get and a lot more or you will be one shotted. All Marauders for example play the same way
-Loot? A joke, way too random. Sell everything to buy stuff via trading. Only interesting if you can effort to invest A LOT in IIR/IIQ
-Crafting? A joke, way too random. Spend orb buying stuff instead of crafting
-Play2win? Not really, it is actually pay2win but without support for real money (see above)
-Gameplay? Framedrops and desync destroy gameplay


Diablo 3:

Races? Forget it, D3 doesn't have them.
Wealth? Exactly the same situation in D3 as you're saying.
Choice? D3 flat out doesn't have much.
Loot? Exactly the same situation in D3 as you're saying.
Crafting? PoE randomness aspect vs. Diablo 3 crafting being literally useless.
Play2win? Nothing to say here for D3. It's pay2win to the maximum.
Gameplay? Shallow and intended for a younger audience.


So...why would you choose that?


-Diablo 3 will get loot runs I read
-Wealth is totally different considering the difficulty of PoE and the fact you need to spend all your currency to progress if you don't use a lot of IIR like I already pointed out
-I feel there is as much choice in D3 as in PoE, initially you might think PoE offers lots of choices, but a choice that won't work is not really a choice is it. I am talkin about cookie cutter builds everybody uses. Everybody makes the same choices lol
-Loot will improve in D3, PoE should reduce randomness and improve usefulness
-Crafting in PoE is useless as well
-Pay2win: Actually the idea behind the next D3 expansion is to reduce that fact as I pointed out, but PoE is pay2win as well except without real money. Like I said invest all your currency to progress is the way to go
Gamplay? D3 owns PoE in gameplay, no doubt about that. You probably deliberately did not mention desync and framdrops here?
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Startkabels wrote:


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wow really that logic

-Loot runs are just maps for casuals , cmon dude did u even read what they are.they are kinda short (just like maps , 1 area) randomized monsters(umm where have i seen that) randomized bosses(hmm wonderful idea where did it come from o.O) and randomized area/weather (really , still cant catch it....
the only different thing is the name and oh yea maybe weather..

-well correct me but i think in every single game u need some kind of currency to go on ..are u telling me i can always find the item i need in D3?Oh in Reaper of souls u mean but but from what i saw rares had a chance to be smart loot and their number was lowered , this doesnt apply to the other tiers (sry if i am wrong but i dont remember if legendaries were included too)
Your point in needing mf to get currency or items is so ridicilous , ye ye many complain about that u may be forgiven!!It isnt like that at all , check the date i joined , check my chars at poe statistics and then check this
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no mf char at all and still i have 8 exalts equiv and lots of great stuff in ONS , check my shop if u wanna know how much does a non mf guy earns playing 4 5 hours a day..


-sure people like u always see bad where there actually isnt , take a look at poe builds and find me another Arpg with nearly 1/10 of the builds there, i believe it was your who took the example of a tank , u said there was only one way to be tanky in this game...

-thats obviously really really wrong ..u obviously never ever tried a full eva/dodge build , u never ever tried an Artic armour build with block , u never tried a block build with aegis aurora.I just check your poe statistics and suprise suprise u have only played with a marauder , the best thing is that your highest level char is 71 and the number of your chars is an amazing 2. how can u even dare talk about the build customization here when your horizont is so small..

-u are talking about loot.. again , i explained that once but yeah i will just let you check it when its coming .It may seem as whoa great thing but really just try it by yourself and really come tell us.from the prezentation alone i understood its just a farce to lie to players like u.that chance to be smart loot wont be a great chance believe me..how many years of farming will u need to find an item just for u , which is better than your current one.W8 w8 why even bother, i am sure u want to be good but why not be immedaitly , why waste hours farming with mediocre gear when with a simple click in the genious AH system u can get a better item...

Dont u understand people will always go to a simple and fast AH rather than farm their items..Unless some serious changes are made to AH noone will ever drop it..

-Crafting is useless , just one single thing to say as this has been discussed a lot , crafting is the best way to get richer in endgame.Maybe when u reach it someday u will understand most of the great items is made by crafting..

-Yes D3 is P2Win and really really P2W and i explained above why the expansion wont change a thing but seriously saying PoE is pay to win but not with money just make me fall of my chair , lets just make it clear so u can hpefuly understand .

u said u need currency to win : u get currency by playing sooooo by the laws of math : u play to win.. hope u got it.there is no (legit) way u can ever get an item or currency in this game with money . The game is fair , something people like u dont understand...

-THis is the only point u are semi right (semi) even tho u forget something: PoE is just in beta and an indie game while D3 is out from 2 years made from one of the biggest companies..and it had x20 higher fund..Anyway the gameplay in D3 is still childish , yes its smooth but it still feels like a fucking arcade game made for kids...THe gameplay in PoE is dark and creepy and trust me i would never ever trade it for anything else. Desync and fps drops will be handled in the future.
Anyway did u forget D3 had desync too?Oh and they still fucked up their mechanics in order to lower it, check the dev manifesto will ya..

i would like a serious and logical answer please , if u cant just dont answer at ll and do what u said u would.GO BACK TO D3
I find it funny that GGG's beta product is being compared to Blizzard's expansion to their released game. And GGG's product is still better even though it's not even fully released yet.
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Hrishi wrote:
I find it funny that GGG's beta product is being compared to Blizzard's expansion to their released game. And GGG's product is still better even though it's not even fully released yet.
its because d3 is also in beta


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fsg wrote:
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Hrishi wrote:
I find it funny that GGG's beta product is being compared to Blizzard's expansion to their released game. And GGG's product is still better even though it's not even fully released yet.
its because d3 is also in beta


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one doomed to be permanent :P
Features

Reaper of Souls adds a number of new features to the core gameplay of Diablo III. These include:
One new character class: the Crusader[2]
A fifth act taking the story of Diablo III "from the legendary city of Westmarch to the unhallowed halls of the Pandemonium Fortress"[2]
A new artisan: the Mystic
A new level cap of 70 (up from 60)
Many new weapons and new pieces of armor
New skills and runes for existing classes
New monsters to defeat

The pre-expansion patch includes:
Loot Runs and Nephalem Trials
Account wide Paragon levels
Unlimited paragon leveling until a maximum of 9999, with a bonus of +250 in each main stat (strength, dexterity, intelligence, and vitality)
A new gem type: Diamond
Class specific affix rolls on items
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Startkabels wrote:
Features

Reaper of Souls adds a number of new features to the core gameplay of Diablo III. These include:
One new character class: the Crusader[2]
A fifth act taking the story of Diablo III "from the legendary city of Westmarch to the unhallowed halls of the Pandemonium Fortress"[2]
A new artisan: the Mystic
A new level cap of 70 (up from 60)
Many new weapons and new pieces of armor
New skills and runes for existing classes
New monsters to defeat

The pre-expansion patch includes:
Loot Runs and Nephalem Trials
Account wide Paragon levels
Unlimited paragon leveling until a maximum of 9999, with a bonus of +250 in each main stat (strength, dexterity, intelligence, and vitality)
A new gem type: Diamond
Class specific affix rolls on items


wrong forum lol
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MadBro_ wrote:

wow really that logic

-Loot runs are just maps for casuals , cmon dude did u even read what they are.they are kinda short (just like maps , 1 area) randomized monsters(umm where have i seen that) randomized bosses(hmm wonderful idea where did it come from o.O) and randomized area/weather (really , still cant catch it....
the only different thing is the name and oh yea maybe weather.


And what is your point, seems like a very good improvement to the end game? Can't stand that?


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-well correct me but i think in every single game u need some kind of currency to go on ..are u telling me i can always find the item i need in D3?Oh in Reaper of souls u mean but but from what i saw rares had a chance to be smart loot and their number was lowered , this doesnt apply to the other tiers (sry if i am wrong but i dont remember if legendaries were included too)
Your point in needing mf to get currency or items is so ridicilous , ye ye many complain about that u may be forgiven!!It isnt like that at all , check the date i joined , check my chars at poe statistics and then check this
Spoiler
x7
no mf char at all and still i have 8 exalts equiv and lots of great stuff in ONS , check my shop if u wanna know how much does a non mf guy earns playing 4 5 hours a day..


Your statements of itemization in D3 do not reflect the upcoming changes of the expansion, where items will get more class specific attributes and Legendaries will drop more often and are more powerfull.
I really am not going to check out all the details in your profile, I'm sorry. I think it is a common fact that the best way to progress is to sell good items you find and spend that currency on new items in PoE. Unless you are a cookie cutter CI\ES character that can focus on lots of IIR/IIQ. In fact many people who disagree are only replying from that perspective and cannot see problems other players have and therefor conclude there is no problem.

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-sure people like u always see bad where there actually isnt , take a look at poe builds and find me another Arpg with nearly 1/10 of the builds there, i believe it was your who took the example of a tank , u said there was only one way to be tanky in this game...


I am seeing bad that is also seen by hordes of other players, again: read the forum and don't make conclusion nearly based on your perc

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-thats obviously really really wrong ..u obviously never ever tried a full eva/dodge build , u never ever tried an Artic armour build with block , u never tried a block build with aegis aurora.I just check your poe statistics and suprise suprise u have only played with a marauder , the best thing is that your highest level char is 71 and the number of your chars is an amazing 2. how can u even dare talk about the build customization here when your horizont is so small..


Well since you said I've only played a Marauder based on some statistics I can fully ignore this point because I have playerd:
-Marauder
-Templar
-Duelist

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-u are talking about loot.. again , i explained that once but yeah i will just let you check it when its coming .It may seem as whoa great thing but really just try it by yourself and really come tell us.from the prezentation alone i understood its just a farce to lie to players like u.that chance to be smart loot wont be a great chance believe me..how many years of farming will u need to find an item just for u , which is better than your current one.W8 w8 why even bother, i am sure u want to be good but why not be immedaitly , why waste hours farming with mediocre gear when with a simple click in the genious AH system u can get a better item...


Let's find out, all I know now is that in PoE you also better used the AH

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Dont u understand people will always go to a simple and fast AH rather than farm their items..Unless some serious changes are made to AH noone will ever drop it..


Let's find out, you seem to be playing the new expansion already?

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-Crafting is useless , just one single thing to say as this has been discussed a lot , crafting is the best way to get richer in endgame.Maybe when u reach it someday u will understand most of the great items is made by crafting..


LOL @ you. Best way to get richer is to sell stuff.

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-Yes D3 is P2Win and really really P2W and i explained above why the expansion wont change a thing but seriously saying PoE is pay to win but not with money just make me fall of my chair , lets just make it clear so u can hpefuly understand .


No you didn't explain that at all? You made some conclusion that you cannot even make since you never played the new expansion lol

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u said u need currency to win : u get currency by playing sooooo by the laws of math : u play to win.. hope u got it.there is no (legit) way u can ever get an item or currency in this game with money . The game is fair , something people like u dont understand...


Haha you get currency by playing? Yes as a cookie cutter ranged character with a lot of IIR/IIQ. If you did not notice or have problems reading: I play as a melee Marauder and had to give up all of that when entering merciless. I make currency by selling items. Again read the forum, read how other players think of it besides the fan boys.

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-THis is the only point u are semi right (semi) even tho u forget something: PoE is just in beta and an indie game while D3 is out from 2 years made from one of the biggest companies..and it had x20 higher fund..Anyway the gameplay in D3 is still childish , yes its smooth but it still feels like a fucking arcade game made for kids...THe gameplay in PoE is dark and creepy and trust me i would never ever trade it for anything else. Desync and fps drops will be handled in the future.
Anyway did u forget D3 had desync too?Oh and they still fucked up their mechanics in order to lower it, check the dev manifesto will ya..


yes, the L&F of Diablo 3 will change as well with the new expansion, something you probably missed as well. Desync will be handled? Desync cannot be solved and D3 uses a different system and in D3 there is no desync issue at all. FPS will be handled? O yeah, is that so?
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Last edited by Henry_GGG on Aug 30, 2013, 6:27:46 AM
Startkabels, then please go and play your Diablo 3 and have fun. Reaper of Souls will come anywhere in 2014. I`ll buy and play it too but dont think it changes much on the most issues.
When I have played my Level 85 duelist and go to my D3 WW barbarian I think the game is running in slow motion, thats no fun at all for me. Walking and attacking is like playing a snail, wonder there is no slime path behind him :-)

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