Zealots Oath - What is it good for?

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Real_Wolf wrote:

The thing is, you say 'its useful to regen ES in combat'

What ES build are you using where the regen in combat is significant, as most builds in combat the only significant amount is GR. And to add to this, we also have the fact that no Life+ES build ever uses this node, so its pretty much LL or CI only

Why do life builds get life regen? Isn't the argument exactly the same?

Life/ES regen *is* significant in combat. Without Zealot's Oath, Life leech can recover up to 24% of your max HP/ES per second (with 20% quality). If you have (say) 6% HP/ES regen, then you can recovery up to 30% of your HP per second. This doesn't seem like much, but going from 24 to 30 is actually 25% better recovery. This means you can survive up to 25% more dps against you. That is significant.

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Real_Wolf wrote:

So my question is why does it exist, and does anyone using non-RF builds actually use it?

Blood Rage also drains health/es per second.

So at the cost of either inefficient nodes (having to grab +hp), or else having to run a 40% aura, people are getting ZO to get that small regen that vitality offers?

Life builds get life regen because they have no other regen sources beyond life regen and life leech. ES has Es recovery which is far superior when out of combat. Primarily the life builds get this to regen out of combat (ES recovery), or else to cover constant costs (pretty much only blood rage), and to help with skill usage (pretty much BM/BM gem builds).

Of these, only constant costs is relevant. And its for RF not bloody rage. Add to this the fact that blood rage, while semi common, isn't used by every life build by far, and you see teh issue.


Blood rage draining health/es per second is interesting, but is anyone who uses a life/es build using ZO to counter blood rage degen? Thing to remember is that this would mean you have no 'life' regen which could hurt it quite a lot, and since the 'regen' is based off total ES you would need a significant ES pool to do so, and in the end it would either look like a LL RF build or else it would be CI and you have no degen anymore.

I repeat, has anyone ever used this for non RF builds? Even on CI I doubt its used

I still think you're under-estimating the decent increase in tanking ability in combat from regen.

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Real_Wolf wrote:

So at the cost of either inefficient nodes (having to grab +hp), or else having to run a 40% aura, people are getting ZO to get that small regen that vitality offers?

Maybe. My guess is that they will use The Blood Dance though. Or maybe Springleaf.

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Blood rage draining health/es per second is interesting, but is anyone who uses a life/es build using ZO to counter blood rage degen? Thing to remember is that this would mean you have no 'life' regen which could hurt it quite a lot, and since the 'regen' is based off total ES you would need a significant ES pool to do so, and in the end it would either look like a LL RF build or else it would be CI and you have no degen anymore.

I repeat, has anyone ever used this for non RF builds?

There's an exceptionally viable elemental hit totem ES build that uses blood rage for the aspd boost on low-life, and Zealot's Oath, and only needs to get 1 'inefficient' node to get an extra 1% regen (also uses vitality to get down to low-life I think). Search for some videos. :)

Thats interesting. So theres a build that uses blood rage on low life instead of RF?

So thats two builds that make good use of ZO.

Definitely worth having a keystone that combines life and es then.

At a guess, the ZO low life build with lbood rage uses shavronnes aswell to stay safe, same as the RF build?

So is there a build that people are using where they make use of this, and not making use of shavronnes/being in danger from chaos cause of low life?

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Real_Wolf wrote:

Thats interesting. So theres a build that uses blood rage on low life instead of RF?

So thats two builds that make good use of ZO.

Definitely worth having a keystone that combines life and es then.

At a guess, the ZO low life build with lbood rage uses shavronnes aswell to stay safe, same as the RF build?

So is there a build that people are using where they make use of this, and not making use of shavronnes/being in danger from chaos cause of low life?

Blood rage deals chaos damage. So, no. Everyone using Zealot's Oath to counter Blood Rage damage will have CI or Shavronne's.

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How? In what way does this topic, saying "What is the point of this node" make the thread braindead?

It clearly, from discussions being had, is only used for CI/Shavronne builds, and even for the CI builds its not really used because it takes a fair bit to spec into and gives fairly marginal benefits.


So why does it exist?

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

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Real_Wolf wrote:

and even for the CI builds its not really used because it takes a fair bit to spec into and gives fairly marginal benefits.


So why does it exist?

If you are a Templar, you should not have much issue to spec into ZO with CI.

Why would you though. What benefit is there to grabbing ZO in the real world. Yes it would give you some small regen if you reserve 40% (30% with RM) of your mana.

But then you can leech FAR more than you can regen in any serious build (except perhaps frenzy+boots build, haven't sena nyone do so though). And when out of combat who cares, you regen super quick anyway.

Why would you, as a templar, build ZO. What benefit do you gain from grabbing this node that you wouldn't have if you didn't grab this node. Why is this something that you want to do?


I know of no builds that make use of ZO without being the LL builds (ele hit or RF), so why do we need this node, when its only there really to complement a unique, shavronnes, which itself would still be powerful without the node