alt+f4 is pretty usless in hardcore

well. alt-F4 is useless in hardcore league? Its still pretty useful in standard league.^^

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Zanixx wrote:

Its just a shame that so many people are bothered by what others do. I could never understand the logic of 'Standard' league players hating on HC players who use altf4. Why would it bother you :=/ I've used it once, ever.

Tbh, i forget about it most the time and try to survive. Died so many times in HC but thats part of the deal. Most my deaths are by desync where ive been stupid and smashed quicksilver flasks whilst running through an obstacle course of pillars and posts, only to find im still back in room 1. that is completely my fault, as i knew it could happen but was careless. :(

GGG have already stated their stance on alt+f4 and are happy where it is atm afaik.

its just a reaction to the hardcore players "high and mighty " attitude towards default players. so pretty much if hardcore players quit acting like douchebags at every opportunity default players will probably let it go. We all know this wont happen since hardcore players' fragile little egos cant handle the thought that they aren't any better than a regular player.



and yes I am deliberately poking the bear here. :P

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ventiman wrote:

bullshit as usual from scrubcores.."i dont play hc but i watch streams" *rolleyes*

keep up the alt f4 fairytale boys its the only thing your girls league can bring to the table

"blue is my favorite colour"

-the blind man

Oh look, this scrub now has a Standard league character higher than yours, with no deaths.



What's more, he is 100% self found, solo and has never, ever escaped or Alt+F4'd from a game.

So, if this scrub, plays PoE even more HC than you, what does that make you? ;)




On topic.
Alt+F4ing can have its downsides, too.
People become complacent. Take Fireknight (no disrespect, I actually respect the guy, a lot), known as 'the king of Alt+F4', dies on his 1 month race character to a bleed after Alt+F4 on the move, when I myself would have just hit my Quicksilver of Staunching.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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ventiman wrote:

bullshit as usual from scrubcores.."i dont play hc but i watch streams" *rolleyes*

keep up the alt f4 fairytale boys its the only thing your girls league can bring to the table

"blue is my favorite colour"

-the blind man

Oh look, this scrub now has a Standard league character higher than yours, with no deaths.



What's more, he is 100% self found, solo and has never, ever escaped or Alt+F4'd from a game.

So, if this scrub, plays PoE even more HC than you, what does that make you? ;)




On topic.
Alt+F4ing can have its downsides, too.
People become complacent. Take Fireknight (no disrespect, I actually respect the guy, a lot), known as 'the king of Alt+F4', dies on his 1 month race character to a bleed after Alt+F4 on the move, when I myself would have just hit my Quicksilver of Staunching.

Er a guy that spams Alt-4 is someone to respected? LOL, bare skillz, hardcorez :P

I'm wondering where these streams are where people are systematically using alt-f4 as a tactic. I've never seen it and i have never used it, since you run the high risk of being stuck in the game for that split second it takes to kill you. Instead, i hit esc and click logout as fast as i can (supposedly leaving the game instantly). And let me tell you, it's not fail safe. This move i actually have seen on streams... maybe one or two times.

For me (and i would think for everyone else), this isn't a routine maneuver. It's an adrenaline filled last resort action. I'm never expecting to actually be alive when i log back in. But when (if) i see that hc banner next to my chars name, an awesome wave of relief washes over me, and i think to my self "lets never get in to that situation again!".

But the real issue here is; whats it got to do with default players? If your not playing on the league - your not even competing. So the only reason why someone would cry about this without being affected whatsoever has to be some sort of small minded minority complex witch i cant relate to (i consider my self more of a defaulter since i'm such a noob on hc).

I mean. Its a give fact that HC is a lot more challenging than default ladder. However, that doesn't mean anything. we aren't making any money from this, no one is passing you over for a promotion on you workplace. It's just people playing a game on various level of difficulty.

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VSwift wrote:

Er a guy that spams Alt-4 is someone to respected? LOL, bare skillz, hardcorez :P

:)

Well, that isn't the reason he has my respect.
Tbh, I don't believe in 'respect needs to be earned', I believe everyone is due respect by default and disrespect is earned. Ofc, I also believe it is possible to not respect a person's actions of a kind, but still respect them for other reasons.

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milmil wrote:

I'm wondering where these streams are where people are systematically using alt-f4 as a tactic.<...>

Well, for example, I watched Fireknight (again, no disrespect) in the 1 month race doing a semi-difficult promenade map. The 4th time he Alt-F4'd in the one map, I shut down the stream.

It's his tactic, /shrug, it's the tactic a lot of people use.
Personally, I'd rather play without that tactic.

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But the real issue here is; whats it got to do with default players? If your not playing on the league - your not even competing.

Well, really, it's a response to the HC->Standard talk down.
It appears to matter a lot to some HC players how many deaths someone has on Standard. It is usually less than the Alt-F4's the person has on HC.

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I mean. Its a give fact that HC is a lot more challenging than default ladder.

It isn't.
There are variables.
The game is exactly the same, to be honest, it's what you do with it that matters. I see buying your gear in either league as throwing challenge to the wind. Play self found, with gear dependent builds, the game really is challenging then. On Standard you will likely die to the challenge a lot, on HC you will likely avoid the challenge at all costs.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

I used Alt+F4 once. I admit it. And I can tell you that I only used it because I got Viper Striked again and again without any monster in the Room and no flasks left.

I lost tons of characters in HC, but they all died because i was careless.

If I can avoid a Desync death like I described above I will gladly use alt f4. Nothing to be ashamed of.


BTW. Alt+F4 is not only a HC thing. I am sure high level standart player use it too.

I agree, I hold no qualms with someone pulling the plug on a situation where what is happening to their character is not the same thing as what is happening on their screen.

But then again, I dont really hold qualms with people that want to take the time to log back into the game repeatedly every time they have a hair raising experience.

I play my way, and if others play their way, and it in no way affects the way I enjoy the game, what do I care. And if their actions create meta game for me, not just an outright pants down fucking, I can appreciate that as well.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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I mean. Its a give fact that HC is a lot more challenging than default ladder.

It isn't.
There are variables.
The game is exactly the same, to be honest, it's what you do with it that matters. I see buying your gear in either league as throwing challenge to the wind. Play self found, with gear dependent builds, the game really is challenging then. On Standard you will likely die to the challenge a lot, on HC you will likely avoid the challenge at all costs.

I play both, and i find this argument to be utterly ridiculous. It's like saying it's as challenging playing tennis against an amateur as a pro - because when you play against the amateur, you challenge yourself to do more advanced moves because there is room for it.

Not only is it ridiculous, it's also preposterous - and frankly, quite silly.

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milmil wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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I mean. Its a give fact that HC is a lot more challenging than default ladder.

It isn't.
There are variables.
The game is exactly the same, to be honest, it's what you do with it that matters. I see buying your gear in either league as throwing challenge to the wind. Play self found, with gear dependent builds, the game really is challenging then. On Standard you will likely die to the challenge a lot, on HC you will likely avoid the challenge at all costs.

I play both, and i find this argument to be utterly ridiculous. It's like saying it's as challenging playing tennis against an amateur as a pro - because when you play against the amateur, you challenge yourself to do more advanced moves because there is room for it.

Not only is it ridiculous, it's also preposterous - and frankly, quite silly.

Why? The game..PoE, the mechanics, the monsters, the damage is the same in both leagues. Yet your analogy has one as a pro and one as an amateur.

I have 2 lvl 87s, who died numerous times.
I have a lvl 84 who has died no times.

I play all those characters in Standard because I want them all together.
They are all self found, I've never bought anything or equipped anything I didn't find myself.

The first two I couldn't have played in HC, not because it is more difficult, but because it is not possible. Those characters were always going to die, for them not to die would have meant playing different characters. Meaning, they were such that death was inevitable in the gear and spec.

The third character I played to not die, in a build more suited to not dying, an easier to gear build. But at the same time to not play careful to the point of avoiding challenge. Tell me why it would have been different, or more difficult as you say, to play in HC?

There is no economy for me, gear availability is what I find, that is no different in either league. But when/if I do die, the character will still be on the same league as the others.

If you see difficulty summed up as having your characters separated by physical servers, well I find that silly.

If we were to put aside the fact I play self found, if you see the difficulty summed up as how easy it is to buy your progress, well I find that even sillier and frankly a main reason I play loot-find H&S's the way I do.