Now HC-Friendly - Claws of Chaos Build - Uses CI / Ghost Reaver / Vaal Pact / Iron Reflexes

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FattyMcFatpants wrote:

yes i have something else to refute, zealots oath doesnt work with flasks bro

the smugness that eminates from your posts in this thread is sickening

Well pardon me. Zealot's Oath doesn't say anything about that regarding flasks, now does it? No. Therefore, PoE should be more specific in the descriptions on some of these nodes.

Players shouldn't always have to consult web pages to figure out this background knowledge. A lot of poorly described nodes can be improved on and for those better descriptions to be put into the game.

Things like that are the game's problem that needs fixing, not mine. Therefore, even if I do come off 'smug,' at least I can back myself up in stating where the confusion(s) came from.

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GearJammer wrote:

The biggest problems I see are...
1) Like previously mentioned your ES is low, you need around 180%+ min. I am level 66 CI duel claw and I have 3200ish ES with Discipline and I only have 5 ES nodes left on my build which is right at 200% total for the build.
2) No Vaal Pact... Which means even with 30% LL you won't regenerate ES fast enough to sustain incoming damage. If you don't want to take Vaal Pact you are probably better off going pure life. (Tried it)
3) Even with regen on all your gear you will not hit a high enough value to even be noticeable.
4)You pick some dmg nodes which would be better in other places. My 105 point build (lvl 86ish) has a total of 254% Dmg increase, 385% Crit chance.
5)You may not be meaning to but you are coming off extremely arrogant which is odd considering you obviously posted it here for critique...
If you would like any help in game (minus the attitude) putting a build together with your on spin on it I could help. IGN: GearOfWarrr/GearOfWarEK

I'm not arrogant, I just think people here thus far, including yourself, are still not considering that what I have here is the barebones of my setup minus the gear I don't have. My 116% ES is reasonable without gears, that with the right gears, I argue, my ES will be much greater than or equivalent to 180% ES.

Also, being life-based is not an option.

And while your build may have a little more damage increase and a 385% crit chance, it probably also lacks something my setup has over yours. In order for my setup to buck up to the statistics of your setup via the 45% more crit amount (not a big deal to me) and the 254% more damage, I would have to sacrifice the amount of Evasion my setup focuses on, which in using Iron Reflexes turns it all into armor.

Which class is your lvl 86 character? You didn't detail on that, which can also mean a huge difference between what you have and what I'm making. You only mentioned your lvl 66 CI Shadow.

Correct me if I am wrong on any of this or my thinking, and if I am, that's your call if you want to help out or not.

With or without help, I seek to do my setup differently than the norm does. In short, I despise being a conformist. Going for nodes 1,000 other people would go for is one of those things I don't conform with as much possible.

While me going for the nodes CI, ZO, GR and IR are what a lot of people go for anyway, the fact that I use these four nodes together makes my setup different from others. The idea is I want to use ALL four of these nodes if possible and make it work, somehow.

In other games I've done what most would consider some obscene setups (and most of them did work) which I plan to do in PoE as well.

Mind you, I just started a week ago, and regardless, I don't think I'm doing too bad. At least I have some valid reason behind the madness in my setup.

scrap zealots oath since you have no regen from passives and get vaal pact, theres no amount of life regen on gear that is going to make use of zealots oath

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FattyMcFatpants wrote:

scrap zealots oath since you have no regen from passives and get vaal pact, theres no amount of life regen on gear that is going to make use of zealots oath

So what you're saying, no matter what, Zealot's Oath is just complete garbage? Or, what if I actually did use passives that support it, would it be better or still be garbage?

If it's forever a garbage node, I learned something new. At least, that's what I gathered in what you said.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

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FattyMcFatpants wrote:

scrap zealots oath since you have no regen from passives and get vaal pact, theres no amount of life regen on gear that is going to make use of zealots oath

So what you're saying, no matter what, Zealot's Oath is just complete garbage? Or, what if I actually did use passives that support it, would it be better or still be garbage?

If it's forever a garbage node, I learned something new. At least, that's what I gathered in what you said.

if you reworked your build and picked up some life regen nodes to make use of zealots oath it would be ok, but i dont think its better than the insant applied leech from vaal pact

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FattyMcFatpants wrote:

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

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FattyMcFatpants wrote:

scrap zealots oath since you have no regen from passives and get vaal pact, theres no amount of life regen on gear that is going to make use of zealots oath

So what you're saying, no matter what, Zealot's Oath is just complete garbage? Or, what if I actually did use passives that support it, would it be better or still be garbage?

If it's forever a garbage node, I learned something new. At least, that's what I gathered in what you said.

if you reworked your build and picked up some life regen nodes to make use of zealots oath it would be ok, but i dont think its better than the insant applied leech from vaal pact

Sounds to me using a CI Shadow is a one-way highway, which is boring. In my original setup it used one overused node, which is CI, and now, I am having to be forced to use another one, Vaal Pact, which I guess about 95% of people using a CI Shadow go for. There is not much room for originality here . . .

My idea is to break away from the norm by not consulting already-made or already-used builds and make my own that either very few have figured out, better, a build that no one uses.

The reason why zealots oath is crap with CI as I understand it is;

The passives that give you life regen(troll's blood etc) give like 1% of max life per second, if you take CI your max life is 1, and 1% of 1 is not a lot.

The max life regen you can get on any item is 7 per sec and there are 8 slots which can carry that stat, 7 x 8 = 56 so max 56 life regen per sec which is next to nothing.

(shit sentence incoming)
Even if I am mistaken and life regen even when you take CI is based off what your max life is without CI then due to the fact you planned to take CI it is likely you skipped life nodes and would have very low life anyway, so not much regen that way either. Also seems most life regen passives are connected to life ones which you'd avoid.

Life leech
Life Regen
Life recovery from flask
These are all separate and passives that affect one won't affect the other.(should use affect or effect there?)

Also you can't argue that 116% ES without gears will be comparable to 180% once you have the right gear. The items that say xx% increase to ES only affect the ES on that particular item. If you have 116% ES from passives and equiap a chest with 100% increased ES mod you won't have 216% increased ES. The people saying 180%, 200% ES needed are talking about purely from passives.

Might be wrong about these things as they are my interpretations after browsing the passive tree you linked.

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Mammatus wrote:

The reason why zealots oath is crap with CI as I understand it is;

The passives that give you life regen(troll's blood etc) give like 1% of max life per second, if you take CI your max life is 1, and 1% of 1 is not a lot.

The max life regen you can get on any item is 7 per sec and there are 8 slots which can carry that stat, 7 x 8 = 56 so max 56 life regen per sec which is next to nothing.

(shit sentence incoming)
Even if I am mistaken and life regen even when you take CI is based off what your max life is without CI then due to the fact you planned to take CI it is likely you skipped life nodes and would have very low life anyway, so not much regen that way either. Also seems most life regen passives are connected to life ones which you'd avoid.

Life leech
Life Regen
Life recovery from flask
These are all separate and passives that affect one won't affect the other.(should use affect or effect there?)

Also you can't argue that 116% ES without gears will be comparable to 180% once you have the right gear. The items that say xx% increase to ES only affect the ES on that particular item. If you have 116% ES from passives and equiap a chest with 100% increased ES mod you won't have 216% increased ES. The people saying 180%, 200% ES needed are talking about purely from passives.

Might be wrong about these things as they are my interpretations after browsing the passive tree you linked.

zealots oath regeneration is based off of your max es, not life

Hmm was mistaken then. Still, considering no base life regen and no regen passives I guess it makes little difference what it is based off.

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