Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

Why don't "you people" play with a group of friends that will not steal your items?

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ZshadeZ wrote:

Jesus. Why are some of the Anti-FFA side so rabid?

Look at the opposition. Try arguing with a wall and see how happy you are. At least I don't insult other people.

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ZshadeZ wrote:

Being utterly dismissive, disagreeing so calling the other side's point of view invalid, saying reasoning is flat out stupid... grow up.

I dismiss points that either A. are illogical, or B. I've countered them with my own argument.

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ZshadeZ wrote:

It's a loot system, in a game that's still in open beta. Because of desync, range, etc FFA isn't flawless, but it makes sense with the world setting.

Makes sense? To have timers...timers? No. no. no. Get rid of it. No. System could stand a change. Timers is NOT the solution AT ALL.

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ZshadeZ wrote:

I don't understand the massive amount of anger and sense of entitlement over loot. Yes, playing solo there are less drops... but you can also take whatever you want with no competition. Playing with friends there is more loot and you can discuss or make sharing plans ahead of time. Playing with strangers there's a lot of loot and it's everyone for his/herself.

You assume loot entitlement. Quite a few just want a group experience over the whole "lone wolf" concept. If anything I don't feel entitled to any sort of changes in the loot system. Anything I present here is feedback to the devs and a discussion amongst other fans of the game.

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ZshadeZ wrote:

That's three viable options already in place. Will they change it down the line? Possibly. Is insisting that they must something to get so worked up over? I sincerely hope you don't believe it is.

We're worked up over arguing with each other. You mistunderstand everything because you probably haven't been keeping up with the discussion.

Just leave your input and let us continue the discussion without interference.

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Vooodu wrote:

Its posts like these that make anti FFA players angry.

Most of them don't care until its their way. Really...

People like you just keep messin' up their flow.

Hah. It's not about having it our way. Many people will just leave if nothing is done and that'll be the end of it. Leaving feedback is just our duty as players of PoE. If you don't like it then just walk out of here?

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ZshadeZ wrote:

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Vooodu, please don't make alts to post this sort of stuff. It's clear it's you - because any outsider looking in to this thread can see that anti-FFA people are trying to come up with solutions, whereas FFA defenders seem to come off as flamers. I'm not saying all FFA defenders are in the flame wars, but it's what most of the posts seem to be.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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SeikenZ wrote:

If they make character migrations to said league possible, ok. I'd hate for my characters being stuck in "default" where all your proposed loot compromises end up in.

I thought that is why hardcore is available? Hardcore could have FFA with/without timers and loot options for all I care.

They should make cutthroat league so all pro FFA dudes would just go there. Tired of the silly arguments.

What is the definition of cut-throat in your opinion? To me, it's just competing against each other, doing anything to win. If I had to translate that to PoE, it basically comes down to gathering loot faster than your fellow players. I don't see how that was meant to be for Hardcore mode only.

double post... lag

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EndOfEnds wrote:

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ZshadeZ wrote:

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Joined: March 11, 2013 2:49 PM

Vooodu, please don't make alts to post this sort of stuff. It's clear it's you - because any outsider looking in to this thread can see that anti-FFA people are trying to come up with solutions, whereas FFA defenders seem to come off as flamers. I'm not saying all FFA defenders are in the flame wars, but it's what most of the posts seem to be.

Its clear its me?



L M A O....



What ever you're smokin' i want some.

BTW, its not ME.

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SeikenZ wrote:

What is the definition of cut-throat in your opinion? To me, it's just competing against each other, doing anything to win. If I had to translate that to PoE, it basically comes down to gathering loot faster than your fellow players. I don't see how that was meant to be for Hardcore mode only.

Timers are in the way of cutthroat. Cutthroat I would prefer having the ability to PK players I don't like.

As for hardcore... cutthroat players typically like a challenge... so hardcore league is surely the place to go. That's not to say that they have to go to hardcore league, but... w/e. Moot point.

Once cutthroat is here there should be zero issues with default league having loot options available.

Sidenote: I fail to see how cutthroat is the means to compete with one another. It's as if you insist that right now we are competing for loot. I disagree. It's forced pseudo-competition if so.

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oranged wrote:

Why don't "you people" play with a group of friends that will not steal your items?

Why don't "you people" get out of this feedback discussion thread if all you do is insult us?

If you would bring 'loot options' as a separate league then we need four default leagues (diffloot-default, diffloot-hc, default, hc) instead of just two (default, hc).

When instead of that weirdness you could just add a 'triple loot timers' checkbox in the party leader interface.

No one has yet given any arguments how this would take away from anyone's gameplay. Pro-FFA could play in pro-FFA groups, us lame carebears could play in our triple-timer groups.



PS. "it would ruin the game" is not an argument.
PPS. "it's against a vision" is not an argument either.
PPPS. "options suck", meh
PPPPS. "cutthroat, hc, meh meh", meh

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viikinki wrote:

If you would bring 'loot options' as a separate league then we need four default leagues (diffloot-default, diffloot-hc, default, hc) instead of just two (default, hc).

When instead of that weirdness you could just add a 'triple loot timers' checkbox in the party leader interface.

No one has yet given any arguments how this would take away from anyone's gameplay. Pro-FFA could play in pro-FFA groups, us lame carebears could play in our triple-timer groups.



PS. "it would ruin the game" is not an argument.

Ah, but they will ignore what you just said, because it is logical. I've said this how many times? Since page 600?