Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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For evolution's sake, this is not survival of the fittest, this is just a game.We are not thieves, we are here to enjoy the game.

And see? I don't hate this statement at all, but there are other games that serve this purpose well (D3). Why are you trying to change this game. Thats what boggles me. POE is trying to do something different. Lets put our trust in GGG and let them make their game.

Its pretty obvious that GGG has already heard both sides, so let them ponder it over (since 1 year now). Its this continual whining that ppl think will force GGG to cave that annoys the hell out of me.

Theres a target audience for this game. They know it, we know it. The rules are in place to target this audience and why we came here. If it wasn't why are you playing this game. If you cant come to terms with this then obviously there will never be agreement.

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Vooodu wrote:

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KorganBloodaxe wrote:

Having a clear design in mind when creating a game is commendable.
Blindly sticking to it even after it has obviously failed is not.
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Obiviously failed is not a fact tho...

Alot of people people have no problem with FFA loot simply don't feel the need to defend it constantly.


Theres a few people who simply can't compete for FFA loot.

The rest are bunch of whiney entitled freaks who never stop complaining about NOT GETTING drops after the loot timer expires and expect everyone in public games to play by their rules... Including the devs.

Obviously, you can't please everyone... People who attempt to do this end up failing.

People as disrespectful as you are being don't deserve to have an opinion on this topic.

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You think way too highly of yourself. Are you related to Panda or something?

I guess people are not paying attention to what I really wanted to mean.

The loot can't be ffa, because not everyone is in the same condition.Not everyone has the same connection, or computers.There is no equal field.

"Theres a target audience for this game. They know it, we know it. The rules are in place to target this audience and why we came here. If it wasn't why are you playing this game. If you cant come to terms with this then obviously there will never be agreement."


Theres a target audience for this game yes and that audience includes people who dont like diablo facerolling, but love complex talent builds and xp loss game mechanics.We are not here for theft, we are here because this game is more challenging than diablo 3.


You know how a community remains standing ? Because there are certain rules that can prevent or punish victimizing.

We are primates, we are animals.As soon as you ignore the rules, it becomes survival of the fittest.No morals, no nothing.But we are civilized, we are better than this.We play a game so we can disconnect from the real world and leave our responsibilities to enjoy a place where we can feel relaxed and equal.Not to get stressed over something that is not partially in your control.

So why I play this game ? I play it because of the talent system, character builds, xp loss and challenge.I play it because you can't pay to win.

We can accept their terms yes, but that doesn't mean we have to accept them all.Do you accept everything that an administration tells you ? No you don't.So if something is disturbing the community, than that thing has to be considered.You can't just rule over without listening to your community.Otherwise you will fail.

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yuwy wrote:

but there are other games that serve this purpose well (D3).

Please don't try to advocate D3, it has no bearing on this topic.

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yuwy wrote:

Why are you trying to change this game. Thats what boggles me. POE is trying to do something different. Lets put our trust in GGG and let them make their game.

Its just feedback. If you truly believe that then I guess you won't be leaving feedback on anythign right? Just trusting them to do whatever they want? Heck lets just remove the whole forum, they don't need us.

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yuwy wrote:

Its pretty obvious that GGG has already heard both sides, so let them ponder it over (since 1 year now). Its this continual whining that ppl think will force GGG to cave that annoys the hell out of me.

The problem here is that they have been very silent on the issue and when they do talk its to encourage us to KEEP discussing it. So I don't think you have a point here.

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yuwy wrote:

Theres a target audience for this game. They know it, we know it. The rules are in place to target this audience and why we came here. If it wasn't why are you playing this game. If you cant come to terms with this then obviously there will never be agreement.

huh? their target audience apparently encompasses both pvp and pve players. That much is obvious. This issue can be made much better for both sides.

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yuwy wrote:

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For evolution's sake, this is not survival of the fittest, this is just a game.We are not thieves, we are here to enjoy the game.

And see? I don't hate this statement at all, but there are other games that serve this purpose well (D3). Why are you trying to change this game. Thats what boggles me. POE is trying to do something different. Lets put our trust in GGG and let them make their game.

Its pretty obvious that GGG has already heard both sides, so let them ponder it over (since 1 year now). Its this continual whining that ppl think will force GGG to cave that annoys the hell out of me.

Theres a target audience for this game. They know it, we know it. The rules are in place to target this audience and why we came here. If it wasn't why are you playing this game. If you cant come to terms with this then obviously there will never be agreement.

well if they are trying something new then FFA loot is far from that. Tons of games have had it.
I think that they have done a great Job in making a fun game. I only had a problem until I started loosing team mates to the FAA loot system. Before anyone wants to argue. 2 said the did quit cause of the loot system and 1 said it was the loot system and the game being to beta to have fun in hardcore.
In my opinion FFA loot is not fun or cutthroat. It adds NOTHING to the game. It only hurts it in the long run.
I guess maybe I'm not part of the "target this audience" you talk of. Maybe I should wait till its out of beta and try it again.

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tat0010 wrote:

well if they are trying something new then FFA loot is far from that. Tons of games have had it.
I think that they have done a great Job in making a fun game. I only had a problem until I started loosing team mates to the FAA loot system. Before anyone wants to argue. 2 said the did quit cause of the loot system and 1 said it was the loot system and the game being to beta to have fun in hardcore.
In my opinion FFA loot is not fun or cutthroat. It adds NOTHING to the game. It only hurts it in the long run.
I guess maybe I'm not part of the "target this audience" you talk of. Maybe I should wait till its out of beta and try it again.

DEV post needed in this thread.. Officially let us know were you stand on this subject. 2 year old posts do not count.

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Please don't try to advocate D3, it has no bearing on this topic.

You see but it does, because there are 2 contentious issues at play here.

1. FFA loot vs instanced loot
2. XP penalty vs no xp penalty

If you were to agree to instanced loot, then you should also agree to xp penalty because both are considered the same class of 'relaxed' ruleset. You can't really have one and not pick the other.

As you can see, D3 chose instanced loot/no xp penalty and POE choose FFA/xp penalty.
This is a clear design choice. The game becomes confusing when you have FFA/no xp penalty
and instanced loot/xp penalty because the rulesets should be congruent. This is basic
game design. Parts of a game can not be so hardcore and then other parts softcore. The game
would lose its heart.

What I think GGG can do as a solution is to offer a separate league of relaxed rules. GGG is not against adding leagues for different rulesets so I speculate that this is where the debate will end.

Similarly there was talk of adding an 'extreme' ruleset (ie oldschool) where it was called cut-throat. And that too will be in its own league.

I vote for at least 10 seconds.

I don't like to complain, but I'm not a big FFA loot system as it is. D2 was so bad that it got me to use a third party program "pickit", but I would not pug or stop playing before I would use hacks ever again.
I also get about 30-50 ping, but in parties it goes to 200-300.

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yuwy wrote:

As you can see, D3 chose instanced loot/no xp penalty and POE choose FFA/xp penalty.
This is a clear design choice. The game becomes confusing when you have FFA/no xp penalty
and instanced loot/xp penalty because the rulesets should be congruent. This is basic
game design. Parts of a game can not be so hardcore and then other parts softcore. The game
would lose its heart.

Your forgetting about hardcore deaths. D3 actually has hardcore deaths by deleting the character. PoE has the casual send you to default "penalty". So I guess D3 wins in that round eh?

Games can give and take where they want to.