Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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iamstryker wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

And no, solo play would net you vastly more items than instanced. Instead of 5 items, it would be around 2.

Why would solo play and instanced have to drop different amounts of loot? I don't see why instanced can't be exactly the same as playing solo but with more players in the instance?

Seriously?

Ya seriously. If there is an obvious answer to my question then just say it.

If your only seeing your own loot then what would be the problem with it being exactly the same as single player?

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Worldbreaker wrote:

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Crizaig wrote:

Over 500 pages on this subject, GGG. What are you going to do about the loot fiasco?

Half the pages are 4 to 5 people pouncing on anyone that says they like FFA. Give it 500 more pages.

lol and that doesnt' count?

failed logic

loot system is a complete fiasko for GGG...even worst than the completely lack of a trading system...people haven't noticed the later but are completely pissed about the looting system more...

I have an actual suggestion for your review.

How bout Instanced loot for bosses, unique enemies and rare enemies. All other drops are kept the same as it is now. This makes the most lucrative kills instanced and no worry or altering play style just to position for loot better.

Honestly a lot of the time I just flat out stop shooting the boss in order to position myself for the piñata. Also since normal mobs are the standard system, it retains the competitive thrill of scrambling for your loot or others when farming normal mobs.

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iamstryker wrote:

Ya seriously. If there is an obvious answer to my question then just say it.

If your only seeing your own loot then what would be the problem with it being exactly the same as single player?

The entire options argument for instanced loot is based on the premise that loot values would stay the same vs FFA. If the party loot mechanics wouldn't stay the same, in a 6 man party 250% more loot would drop in instances. That insanity.

An option to change it to instanced does not give you the right to more loot. You will see A LOT less than solo. That's a fact.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Ya seriously. If there is an obvious answer to my question then just say it.

If your only seeing your own loot then what would be the problem with it being exactly the same as single player?

The entire options argument for instanced loot is based on the premise that loot values would stay the same vs FFA. If the party loot mechanics wouldn't stay the same, in a 6 man party 250% more loot would drop in instances. That insanity.

An option to change it to instanced does not give you the right to more loot. You will see A LOT less than solo. That's a fact.

failed there...

yes the IL will be less loot from the current pinata FFA but AT LEAST must be the same with solo (higly doubt it tho)..it will be slightly better than solo with a cap in IIQ/IIR..

IL need some developer time for sure else will be counterproductive (or OP).

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Ya seriously. If there is an obvious answer to my question then just say it.

If your only seeing your own loot then what would be the problem with it being exactly the same as single player?

The entire options argument for instanced loot is based on the premise that loot values would stay the same vs FFA. If the party loot mechanics wouldn't stay the same, in a 6 man party 250% more loot would drop in instances. That insanity.

An option to change it to instanced does not give you the right to more loot. You will see A LOT less than solo. That's a fact.

That makes no sense!
Reducing the amount of loot when it's instanced would give an unfair advantage to groups of friends or guilds and whatnot. Because they can have their cake(more loot) and eat it too(looting rules).
And it would again discourage grouping, which is basically the situation we have now.

EDIT: spelling

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Ya seriously. If there is an obvious answer to my question then just say it.

If your only seeing your own loot then what would be the problem with it being exactly the same as single player?

The entire options argument for instanced loot is based on the premise that loot values would stay the same vs FFA. If the party loot mechanics wouldn't stay the same, in a 6 man party 250% more loot would drop in instances. That insanity.

An option to change it to instanced does not give you the right to more loot. You will see A LOT less than solo. That's a fact.

I just personally don't see it as more loot if its the same as when I solo.

What is the logic behind FFA having less loot anyhow? Is it because you clear faster? Maybe the enemies should be more difficult. Is it because the screen would be too covered with items? Thats not a problem with instanced.

Screw FFA. Besides the idea that its not fair to FFA players I don't see why instanced loot SHOULD have less than solo. The draw back to coop should always be tougher monsters not less loot.

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iamstryker wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Ya seriously. If there is an obvious answer to my question then just say it.

If your only seeing your own loot then what would be the problem with it being exactly the same as single player?

The entire options argument for instanced loot is based on the premise that loot values would stay the same vs FFA. If the party loot mechanics wouldn't stay the same, in a 6 man party 250% more loot would drop in instances. That insanity.

An option to change it to instanced does not give you the right to more loot. You will see A LOT less than solo. That's a fact.

I just personally don't see it as more loot if its the same as when I solo.

What is the logic behind FFA having less loot anyhow? Is it because you clear faster? Maybe the enemies should be more difficult. Is it because the screen would be too covered with items? Thats not a problem with instanced.

Screw FFA. Besides the idea that its not fair to FFA players I don't see why instanced loot SHOULD have less than solo. The draw back to coop should always be tougher monsters not less loot.

I agree if GGG wants to penalize the non-FFA options it should be done by increasing the strength of the monsters. With a group of six you can steamroll through everything anyway.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Instead of 5 items, it would be around 2.

Well, it would be between 58.33% to 75% for groups between 6 to 2 players.
So instead of 5 items drop from solo play there'll be between 3 (rounded from 2.92) to 4 (rounded from 3.75) items in a instanced loot system of 6 to 2 players party.

This is why I believe this wouldnt be a problem for the people that are the real target of an instanced loot system aka the people that already play solo and are familiar with less drops and no screen clutter.
Yeah, it would be a real problem for ffa supporters which are familiar with loot pinatas of ~20-30 items drop per unique boss in a 6 players party. But they wouldnt play instanced anyway because ffa and those big loot pinatas will still be available in the game.

And dont forget, instanced is the extreme of ffa, we have a multitude of greyish solutions inbetween.

And if some topics pop up proposing higher drops in the party instanced loot system, the answer for this would be really practical then:
-choose ffa-option when partying.
The total number of drops would be the same in instanced and ffa, but in the ffa system you have the chance of getting more than your instanced-share (by depriving other party members of loot - they would obviously get less if you get more) or have the risk of getting less than your instanced-share (by being deprived of loot by other party members - they would obviously get more if you get less).

People would have a real choice, let them choose accordingly with their real life personality/principles.
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