Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Vooodu wrote:

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Statistically ..this is proof.. you just don't want to see it.. Again..if you have no idea how statistic works, go away with your "majority of players are playing" argument.. it's bs and you know it..

Thats not how it works... Sorry.


Real proof is soild.


Just because minority of people say Santa Claus exists doesn't it make it real.

Why are we debating game balance issues with the vocal minority like Vooodu?

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wrathmar wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Statistically ..this is proof.. you just don't want to see it.. Again..if you have no idea how statistic works, go away with your "majority of players are playing" argument.. it's bs and you know it..

Thats not how it works... Sorry.


Real proof is soild.


Just because minority of people say Santa Claus exists doesn't it make it real.

Why are we debating game balance issues with the vocal minority like Vooodu?

Agreed... You should all gather together in a room, pull the shades down, lock the doors, break out the tissues and have the biggest QQ party in the history of mankind.

All 60 of you.... You can call QQapaloooza.




Anyways, its been fun boys. Humor intended... But, im off work now and its time to play.


I won't bother you guys anymore...lol.

Feel free to vent in peace. I will leave you all be.


Peace.

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Vooodu wrote:

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Chris wrote:

We initially announced that looting is free-for-all in Path of Exile. Players would be able to see and pick up any items that dropped.

It's important to us that Path of Exile has a cut-throat feel where players are not only competing against monsters, but also their fellow players.


What do you guys think about this suggestion? Please don't just post "allocated sucks", or "I won't play if it's free-for-all".

Read and weep boys...

Here's some food for thought: This thread, and some others dealing with the loot system, are or have been quite active. Some time ago GGG said (IIRC) that they are still listening to feedback on the matter.

I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption that the loot system is the single most debated thing about this game, at least currently.

Given this, and GGG's apparent interest in obtaining feedback, why do you think they haven't conducted a simple poll yet?

My guess? They are fairly certain that fully instanced loot (or something along those lines) would crush any other loot system. And since that goes against their vision for the game, they're not really pushing to get that spelled out in hard numbers.

I doubt anyone will actually weep if PoE stays FFA only, it's just that for some (quite a few is my guess) players it basically determines whether or not it should be considered a single player game.

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Estoroth wrote:

They are fairly certain that fully instanced loot (or something along those lines) would crush any other loot system. And since that goes against their vision for the game, they're not really pushing to get that spelled out in hard numbers.

Exactly my opinion also.
And is the same reason why they wont tell us the percentage of public parties in total parties.

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ManiaCCC wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Statistically ..this is proof.. you just don't want to see it.. Again..if you have no idea how statistic works, go away with your "majority of players are playing" argument.. it's bs and you know it..

Thats not how it works... Sorry.


Real proof is soild.


Just because minority of people say Santa Claus exists doesn't it make it real.

No..this is exactly how it works.. ;) You need sample big enough to prove reality.. and this sample is big enough..

OK since you guys are not in marketing of services (PoE and games are services)
So when you have a service marketing science has prove with studies that the 90% percent of dissatisfied customer do not express it to the company but to their circles (word of mouth) and all of them will stop their subscription fee in the FIRST opportunity even when the deal is either equal or sometimes even worst (money eise) deal (because they will feel that they got better consumer respect).
So even if say that here is only the 10% of the community that EXPRESS their concerns about something, this 10% is huge because there alot more that do not care to read a forum and post. In fact looting is THE most discussed problem.

If you wait a big number to see if looting is bad then we have serious problem (and I do not think GGG are THAT stupid)

I'm not going to read through 300+ pages on the topic, so sorry if this has already been suggested. If so, consider this another vote in favor.

I like the loot system as is. I think the loot timers are fine as they are for the most part.
However, it has been brought up that ranged players are at a disadvantage of sometimes not even seeing that items dropped in their favor because others are able to get there first and wait out the timer.

My solution is to have a second, invisible timer after the item has gone "public" and if another character picks up the item during that time they get a "greed mark" for lack of a better term. After accumulating X greed marks, the greedy player would begin to suffer a loot penalty receiving either fewer drops in their favor, or decreased rarity.

This is not a perfect solution, but I think the idea is solid. Obviously the Devs would have to find a way to implement it that makes sense mechanically.

Pros:
Discourages "stealing" loot

Cons:
Potentially hurts sharing

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Estoroth wrote:

I doubt anyone will actually weep if PoE stays FFA only, it's just that for some (quite a few is my guess) players it basically determines whether or not it should be considered a single player game.

This.

For those who are against a non-FFA option, I would ask them this:

1. Does it matter to you at all that many players will only solo solely because they dislike the loot system?

2. What would you suggest to those players other than "adapt or leave"?

Regardless of where you stand on loot allocation, having a lot of players leave is not good for the game. More players means more development dollars means more game.


I can say with certainty that lacking group play, this game will have a shorter retention period for those players. I would LOVE to group up in this game, but I so tremendously HATE the 'loot first, kill after' playstyle of it that I will stick to soloing.

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Kezz123 wrote:

I should also mention that I played with a friend in same room as him in closed beta and we had to constantly discuss to try to make looting fair but that it was still difficult because sometimes we would loot too fast for the other to really tell what it was that dropped. We tried a system of one yellow each but even after only a few hours, we were borderline to argue about loot. its just in my eyes a poor system.

This is exactly what makes me sick when I read all of the reasoning behind why the allocation system is bad.

Enjoy all of the alteration shards you fought so hard for bro...

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Plastic_Cup wrote:

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Kezz123 wrote:

I should also mention that I played with a friend in same room as him in closed beta and we had to constantly discuss to try to make looting fair but that it was still difficult because sometimes we would loot too fast for the other to really tell what it was that dropped. We tried a system of one yellow each but even after only a few hours, we were borderline to argue about loot. its just in my eyes a poor system.

This is exactly what makes me sick when I read all of the reasoning behind why the allocation system is bad.

Enjoy all of the alteration shards you fought so hard for bro...

And this is the biggest problem with the system, it foster frustration, harms socialization, enjoyment, longevity, etc and the only reward is increased in game inflation.

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wrathmar wrote:

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Plastic_Cup wrote:

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Kezz123 wrote:

I should also mention that I played with a friend in same room as him in closed beta and we had to constantly discuss to try to make looting fair but that it was still difficult because sometimes we would loot too fast for the other to really tell what it was that dropped. We tried a system of one yellow each but even after only a few hours, we were borderline to argue about loot. its just in my eyes a poor system.

This is exactly what makes me sick when I read all of the reasoning behind why the allocation system is bad.

Enjoy all of the alteration shards you fought so hard for bro...

And this is the biggest problem with the system, it foster frustration, harms socialization, enjoyment, longevity, etc and the only reward is increased in game inflation.

thanks for wording this in much better words than my limitation in English allowed me to do.
And thanks for responding to this guy on my behalf :P

I agree.