Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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MrCardholder wrote:

LOL

I hope a moderator gets on this soon. Back to the issue maybe?

I think there is absolutely a strong argument for the FFA loot system. Like Chris said, it encourages a more cut-throat environment. I understand that people feel that it can be unfair, but i think that FFA fits this game very well. The current system is a good comprimise, gives people a chance to grab things without completely destroying the FFA system.

Maybe group options could be added later for those who want loot assigned? You could just add an option to take the timer off so that items are assigned as long as they remain on the ground. It could work something like this: upon forming a group, a vote could pop up with a few options such as "complete FFA loot", "Timed assigned loot" and "Assigned Loot". Just spitballing ideas for those who dislike FFA, personally i like it.

I completely support FFA or timed or whatever. My argument for the ability to choose is based on what some feel is flawed rational by Chris. There I said it. It appears that Chris somehow feels that without some PVP element the game is no longer valid. I feel safe in saying many valid customers would disagree. I have said before and will say again POE is a fantastic effort. No one wants to prevent those who like PVP ie FFA from doing so. No one is asking Monk pandas to be put in POE.

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Vooodu wrote:

I did read it.. Not really a fan of it.

Sorry.

I mean honestly, theres like one point he makes. And that point is where there should be NO loot timer. Which i agree with.

Interesting... so, like, you physically CAN'T see the other points?

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CommodoX wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

Exactly the point i made in my last post.

You mean like this?

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Vooodu wrote:

Telling people to suck it up and deal with it is not an insult. Its a way of life.

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Vooodu wrote:

In this topic. NOTHING but whiney, little, annoying, selfentitled kids.

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Vooodu wrote:

Rage filled, keyboard kids with HUGE entitlement issues

Changing your answers after being reported, huu?

Reported for what.. Telling it how it is?

If you like turning people into crack heads. By all means keep the stupid timer on some misguided, truly unfounded stance. The prison is hell theme? lol come on. People would turn on the ninja and eat him 1st if you want to get down to it. You can't have one theme and not support all underlying themes that go with it.

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MrCardholder wrote:

I think there is absolutely a strong argument for the FFA loot system. Like Chris said, it encourages a more cut-throat environment. I understand that people feel that it can be unfair, but i think that FFA fits this game very well. The current system is a good comprimise, gives people a chance to grab things without completely destroying the FFA system.

Maybe group options could be added later for those who want loot assigned? You could just add an option to take the timer off so that items are assigned as long as they remain on the ground. It could work something like this: upon forming a group, a vote could pop up with a few options such as "complete FFA loot", "Timed assigned loot" and "Assigned Loot". Just spitballing ideas for those who dislike FFA, personally i like it.

2 points which made me playing solo only now

1) you kill the boss and get your loot, it should depend on playing well IN the bossfight, showing reaction and a little skill, NOT after the bossfight against 5 people, thats nonsene in my eyes

2) a lot of timesink, caused of people standing stupid around and waiting for others loot, seen in every group i joined

in fact i cant follow your pros, stressing up while running stupid around infight for getting all the loot (and if you dont, youre getting nothing!)

the soul of the game isnt the ffa system, the soul is grinding items to improve your chars, and the ffa works against, im not gonna support this if its the same at release, for solo i can play scyrim or whatever and multiplayer now is broken in my eyes(edith means: maybe ill try to create groups my own with "only self loot" or something like this, but i dont think this works when the fist legendary drops, lets see xP)

mfg

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Vooodu wrote:

Exactly the point i made in my last post.

You mean like this?

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Vooodu wrote:

Telling people to suck it up and deal with it is not an insult. Its a way of life.

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Vooodu wrote:

In this topic. NOTHING but whiney, little, annoying, selfentitled kids.

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Vooodu wrote:

Rage filled, keyboard kids with HUGE entitlement issues

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Vooodu wrote:

70 000 players play this game and we have about what, maybe 50-70 people crying about loot in this thread.

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Vooodu wrote:

Prove it....
Seriously. I want to see you prove this.

Where is your prove for "maybe 50-70 people"?

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Vooodu wrote:

This isn't "YOUR" game. Get over yourself.

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Vooodu wrote:

But it doesn't really matter what you think because its not your game. Is it?

So it's not yours either? So "it doesn't really matter what you think because its not your game".


Changing your answers after being reported, huu?

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Vooodu wrote:

Reported for what.. Telling it how it is?

Then why did you editet your answer after being reported?
Adn if there are only "whiney, little, annoying, selfentitled kids" in this topic, then you're part of them because you're in the topic too.

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CommodoX wrote:

Then why did you editet your answer after being reported?
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*face palm*....


When did i get reported?


What are you even talking about. Editet?



Don't worry about things that don't matter.


:D

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BarneyRubble wrote:

No one is asking Monk pandas to be put in POE.

:>

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

@Luvz

Generally the more vocal party in a dispute is a minority under these circumstances. Why? Well you only tend to speak out when there is something you don't like. So with this in mind it would seem that more people are enjoying the current system (And staying silent/playing the damn game) then there are those complaining about it.

There are a few of us here sticking up for the current system and a few against the system, the few against the system may post more often but is generally just the same people over and over trying to make the issue appear bigger then it really is just to get there way.

So if a group is vocal that makes them the minority? That makes Zero sense.

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Zulgohlan wrote:

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MrCardholder wrote:

I think there is absolutely a strong argument for the FFA loot system. Like Chris said, it encourages a more cut-throat environment. I understand that people feel that it can be unfair, but i think that FFA fits this game very well. The current system is a good comprimise, gives people a chance to grab things without completely destroying the FFA system.

Maybe group options could be added later for those who want loot assigned? You could just add an option to take the timer off so that items are assigned as long as they remain on the ground. It could work something like this: upon forming a group, a vote could pop up with a few options such as "complete FFA loot", "Timed assigned loot" and "Assigned Loot". Just spitballing ideas for those who dislike FFA, personally i like it.

2 points which made me playing solo only now

1) you kill the boss and get your loot, it should depend on playing well IN the bossfight, showing reaction and a little skill, NOT after the bossfight against 5 people, thats nonsene in my eyes

2) a lot of timesink, caused of people standing stupid around and waiting for others loot, seen in every group i joined

in fact i cant follow your pros, stressing up while running stupid around infight for getting all the loot (and if you dont, youre getting nothing!)

the soul of the game isnt the ffa system, the soul is grinding items to improve your chars, and the ffa works against, im not gonna support this if its the same at release, for solo i can play scyrim or whatever and multiplayer now is broken in my eyes(edith means: maybe ill try to create groups my own with "only self loot" or something like this, but i dont think this works when the fist legendary drops, lets see xP)

mfg

I think i see your point, people standing around waiting for loot and not fighting is def an issue... one that is unfortunate. While that says a lot about the person playing that char (and none of it good) it may need to be addressed.

Again, i feel that the current system with the timers is quite fair, but if you think that is still not enough, I am sure more additions could be made. If you read all of my post, i stated that the party should be able to vote on the loot rules, something that has been suggested about a hundred times and would likely fix most of the issues (IMHO).

As for the boss fights, it is difficult to implement a system for splitting loot according to who "fought well". What about the tank who took all that damage but didn't do much since he is speced for one hander and shield? What about the guy with 15 auras who took down all the trash for you but didn't damage the boss? No, i think the best solution is to give the party power to choose loot options, but if you have a better idea you should share.

I am not sure when this movement against FFA loot happened. It worked well in D2 and in other games, sure sometimes you rage because you didn't get that sick drop, that other A-hole did, but w/e, its a game and you can always grind more. I like the intensity that FFA loot gives the game, but i can understand you wanting loot to be shared accordingly. So would the party choice idea make you happy or do you want something else?