Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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you can play while watching tv and only using one hand when all you do is click on monsters

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Dinin wrote:

Also labeling people Green/Red is a bad idea, just go with "for loot options" and "no loot options."

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moikpei wrote:

I have a draft started, the problem is when I get to the argument summaries, I'm having a hard time phrasing them neutrally. Like, this is who far I got:

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Glossary:

FFA - The current game function where each bit of loot can be picked up by anyone.
Instanced - A proposed game function where each bit of loot is parcelled out and can only be seen and picked up by individuals.
Timed - The current game function where rares, uniques, and commodities can be seen by everyone, but each is randomly locked to a specific player for about one second.
GREENS - Players who lean toward increasing in ways in which FFA loot is moderated, or even instancing it entirely.
REDS - Players who lean toward limiting the ways in which FFA loot is moderated, or even unrestricting it entirely.

TIPS:
1) If someone is acting like a jerk, message a moderator or Support. I will be very aggressive about requesting moderation of this thread.
2) Don't be a jerk.
3) Try to be constructive; that means trying to elaborate on another person's point rather than trying to negate it.
4) Making a "slippery slope" argument is not constructive.
5) Assuming the motivations behind another person's point is not constructive.

SUMMARY:
In the past, the developers have stated that they wish to have the game feel "cut throat", and would prefer if loot was entirely unmoderated. Recent updates note they feel content with the current compromise of short timers limiting accessibility. Some players find this compromise unsatisfactory.

RED Side Arguments:
+ FFA loot is part and parcel of what makes Path of Exile the ARPG we deserve; Nintendo Hard and Grimdark rather than the rainbowpony hugpile other ARPGs of late have turned out to be. There are other games out there "for" GREENs, please check your casual priviledge.

GREEN Side Arguments:
+ FFA loot is not essential to making a game Nintendo Hard and Grimdark. All the other stuff does that. Your rights end where my feelings begin.

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in an instanced system:
a) you don't need to make any friends, and nobody has a reason to friend you - the general public is almost the same.
b) you can play while watching tv and only using one hand when all you do is click on monsters
c) you can't see what anyone else got - so even if they just picked up a perfect item for your character you can't make them an offer or try and beg for it. etc.
d) to share loot you have to pick it up and drop or open a trade window in town.
e) no difference between large groups or solo - just advantages of following powerful players.
f) if someone in your party is a jerk there is nothing you can do to retaliate.
g) its not realistic that some items are invisible to all but one player. - minor thing, but what if monsters were instanced too?
h) no advantage to being in front and killing everything then to be in the back following and just looting.