The 6-8 hour mandatory tutorial

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

lol 10-12 hours? Are we playing the same game?

Yes, we are. And you have a 40 next to your name, while I have a 15. Same game, different pace. ='[.]'=

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

Yes, we are. And you have a 40 next to your name, while I have a 15. Same game, different pace. ='[.]'=

I don't know what challenges have to do with the length of the campaign. But recalling Settlers League and you mentioning farming Act 6 weeks, I mean months into the league does make me wonder if we truly play the same game. :)

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

Yes, we are. And you have a 40 next to your name, while I have a 15. Same game, different pace. ='[.]'=

I don't know what challenges have to do with the length of the campaign. But recalling Settlers League and you mentioning farming Act 6 weeks, I mean months into the league does make me wonder if we truly play the same game. :)

Uff, yeah, makes you wonder if they're talking about PoE1... or just a total different game.

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

Yes, we are. And you have a 40 next to your name, while I have a 15. Same game, different pace. ='[.]'=

I don't know what challenges have to do with the length of the campaign. But recalling Settlers League and you mentioning farming Act 6 weeks, I mean months into the league does make me wonder if we truly play the same game. :)

Challenges reflect ability to achieve more difficult objectives, within the scope of an enjoyable league playthrough. You have your 40 already, while I will likely never see 16 (not that I'm trying). Your time management reflects the grinding necessary (or whatever means you use to achieve your challenges), while mine reflects my almost certainly more "casual," less intensive play.

I play through an act to a comfortable stopping point, log out, watch some YouTube, play with my cats, do some other things. Start up again later that day, or the next. I don't hard charge through things at maximum optimization. I have fun, but I don't treat the game like a job, which is what most of the challenges look like to me.

As for your recollection about me farming Act 6 in Settlers for weeks, I dunno where you got that, but it's a shabby strawman. ='[.]'=

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

Challenges reflect ability to achieve more difficult objectives, within the scope of an enjoyable league playthrough. You have your 40 already, while I will likely never see 16 (not that I'm trying). Your time management reflects the grinding necessary (or whatever means you use to achieve your challenges), while mine reflects my almost certainly more "casual," less intensive play.

They are mostly a time sink. If anything, they often reflect how basic one's life must be outside of the game. I got most of mine by just playing the game with several different characters with different "objectives". I feel that people who chase 40/40 challenges as fast as possible for "bragging rights" are the same kind of people who would wave a hand full of money in front of your face, brag about how many women they banged, wear expensive jewelery and point at their expensive cars. In short, they are so desperate for validation because they got nothing else to offer.

The only relevance they have in a discussion is when a low challenges person is talking about endgame and game balance while having no related challenges completed, or, even worse, the easy ones unchecked. Then there are those who never play leagues and have their profiles privated, parroting "knowledge" they suck off from people more knowledgeable than them while constantly belittling others, in an effort to appear more credible on the surface.

Meanwhile, one could spend all that time and effort to learn/practice essential life skills, i.e. how to install a dishwasher, clean plumbing, install new light fixtures, restore old furniture, make new furniture from scratch, paint your walls etc.

That's basically what I've been doing this whole time when I'm not playing. Fixing up my place/giving it a new look. I already played several characters to 90+ this league, some of which were deleted again, and some of which were kept at lvl 98.

In short: Spend the rest of that time doing something useful instead. Don't get baited by fools trying to pick at you for having a life outside of PoE.

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

Challenges reflect ability to achieve more difficult objectives

With how easy they became over the years they don't really reflect much aside of showing that someone really wanted to have the mtx, or even just finish of the full 40/40 set.

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You have your 40 already, while I will likely never see 16 (not that I'm trying)

Already? It's already been two months of the new league, not like it's a crazy record time to finish challenges up that late into a league lol

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Your time management reflects the grinding necessary (or whatever means you use to achieve your challenges), while mine reflects my almost certainly more "casual," less intensive play.

Given how I’ve had to balance well paid overtime with enjoying the summer, plus cutting back on gaming time because of that, I’d say I was pretty much a casual player this league. Still, even with all the casualness and spending time in other games, it wasn’t hard to finish two well geared characters, finish experimental characters while hitting 40/40 challenges without feeling any pressure. Even in a league I didn’t really enjoy much, mainly because the league mechanic felt pretty simple and boring to me.
With that yea it really does reflect that there's not much time investment or grinding involved to hit 40/40 in one of the easiest challenge leagues, lol.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

They are mostly a time sink. If anything, they often reflect how basic one's life must be outside of the game.

Not entirely true as you can be good at a game while being also very successful and active irl. Thinking that it takes a lot of time to understand basics just shows how different the lerning curve of some is.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

Meanwhile, one could spend all that time and effort to learn/practice essential life skills, i.e. how to install a dishwasher, clean plumbing, install new light fixtures, restore old furniture, make new furniture from scratch, paint your walls etc.

Good goals to aim for, if you haven’t already learned them. It’s really a shame tho that we also have people who prefer to ragebait the moment they’re proven wrong, getting hyperfixated on a simple discussion instead of using that time to learn something new even if it’s just game related. :)

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

The only relevance they have in a discussion is when a low challenges person is talking about endgame and game balance while having no related challenges completed, or, even worse, the easy ones unchecked. Then there are those who never play leagues and have their profiles privated, parroting "knowledge" they suck off from people more knowledgeable than them while constantly belittling others, in an effort to appear more credible on the surface.

It’s always funny when people try to play expert but clearly haven’t engaged with the content they’re criticizing, like the one guy who went off on the Betrayal rework after completing a single mission. Expert level confidence, right?

But what really gets me is the constant nitpicking of challenge counts and hidden profiles as if they’re the ultimate measure of who’s valid to talk. Funny how they’ll scream about how ‘broken’ ES is without ever touching an ES build, or say T17 maps are ‘bad’ after clearing one, or starting multiple rage topics about defensive layers.

It’s pretty obvious when someone with a low challenge count actually knows their stuff, versus someone trying to act like they’re an authority with nothing to show for it. You’d think they’d realize that years of game experience count for more than flexing challenge numbers or an open profile, but apparently not. Especially when someone who’s been around for almost a decade gets sidelined by people who’ve been playing for a whole 2 1/2 years, pretending they know better.

And then, when they're called out on their lack of knowledge, they try to invalidate feedback by pulling the 'hidden profile’ card, because apparently that makes all the years of experience irrelevant. It’s almost cute how quickly the focus shifts to profile nitpicking once their claims are debunked. Makes you wonder if they have anything of value to say at all, or if they’re just here to make noise.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

And then, when they're called out on their lack of knowledge

There's a difference between calling someone out and simply making an invalid statement, repeat ad infinitum.

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There's disagreement over something, and then there's constantly throwing shade at someone. Two very different things.

/shrug

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

There's a difference between calling someone out and simply making an invalid statement, repeat ad infinitum. [Removed by Support]

Indeed, glad you agree that it’s a superiority complex when someone’s in denial after being proven wrong by multiple users, and resorts to belittling others by pointing to things like lower challenge numbers, skipped leagues, or a hidden profile in an attempt to make their own take feel more credible, even when it’s already been shown to be wrong or not 100% accurate. Pretty common these days, just like you said.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Indeed, glad you agree that it’s a superiority complex when someone’s in denial after being proven wrong by multiple users, and resorts to belittling others

I'm glad you have come to terms with it. Have a good day, my brotha.