Orb of Scoured Chance

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

But true....I did not think about vaal areas.

I also forgot about strongboxes

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SHADOW_XIII#0413 wrote:

I also forgot about strongboxes

I did think about strongboxes, but no one should be scouring strongboxes in any high amount that it would matter. The typical strategy on a valuable strongbox is to alt spam for +contained items and then just regal it up from there. Or run full corrupted.

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SHADOW_XIII#0413 wrote:

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

But true....I did not think about vaal areas.

I also forgot about strongboxes

You may or may not know this, and it may be relevant, or irrelevant, but if you are carrying Alchs and scours in your inventory, strong boxes now have the ability where you just click the icon on the strong box alch/scor/vaal. You don't even have to go into your inventory anymore.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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SHADOW_XIII#0413 wrote:

I also forgot about strongboxes

I did think about strongboxes, but no one should be scouring strongboxes in any high amount that it would matter. The typical strategy on a valuable strongbox is to alt spam for +contained items and then just regal it up from there. Or run full corrupted.

This again is perception and eye of the beholder. What you define as normal cannot be defined as normal for others. That's up to them. I personally use a lot of Alch and scours on certain strong boxes, especially when we used to have diviner strong boxes in mass quantities, and in all honesty, the only reason I carry Alchs and Scours in my inventory while mapping. Just in case I run into a diviner box. Otherwise I just identify the box whether it's magic or rare. If it's rare corrupted then open it.. It's much easier to Alch/scour than to sit there and alt spam and regal up. Especially when you're trying to blast maps on a timely manner, you're not going to sit there and craft a box for 20 minutes, (Well, I take that back. Maybe you are, maybe others are. I'm not. I assume most are not). I assume again my assumption., most will hit an Alch/scour maybe 5 or 6 times, hit a few mods that you feel are worthy enough, and then you're going to kill the monsters and move on.

I personally know a lot of players that use this system.

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JediWabbit#3091 wrote:

This again is perception and eye of the beholder. What you define as normal cannot be defined as normal for others. That's up to them.

right...but also wrong.

Normal is a construct of the average behavior across the entire playerbase, especially across those who specialize in strongboxes as they are the ones interacting with them the most. "Normal" expected strongbox behavior is 1) alch and go on regular strongboxes and low-value and 2) alt-spam divine boxes and such to get extra items, which then get duplicated by the tree. If you are running strongboxes, this is what you do. It is normal. That is the literal definition of "normal" ie: the STANDARD interaction. The slowdown in speed to accomplish this is baked into that "normal" behavior.

If you, personally, do something different...that might be "normal" for you but it is NOT normal behavior for the game as a whole. You are behaving against the standard.

We are talking at a development level here: what is individually normal is irrelevant to any conversation being had. What is "normal" to the entire playerbase is what matters.


This is where looking at the bigger picture is incredibly important, and the downfall of the other threads we have engaged in. Defining normal behavior on a personal level is narrow-minded and irrelevant to larger discussions about the game. It can help give you a "feeling", but to develop that feeling into an actual discussion and idea, it has to get over the "this is how I do it" hump because you are just 1 in a sea of hundreds of thousands or millions currently and throughout the years.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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JediWabbit#3091 wrote:

This again is perception and eye of the beholder. What you define as normal cannot be defined as normal for others. That's up to them.

right...but also wrong.

Normal is a construct of the average behavior across the entire playerbase, especially across those who specialize in strongboxes as they are the ones interacting with them the most. "Normal" expected strongbox behavior is 1) alch and go on regular strongboxes and low-value and 2) alt-spam divine boxes and such to get extra items, which then get duplicated by the tree. If you are running strongboxes, this is what you do. It is normal. That is the literal definition of "normal" ie: the STANDARD interaction. The slowdown in speed to accomplish this is baked into that "normal" behavior.

Here's the thing, you are looking "from a bigger picture" from the outside of a developer, AND your opinion. Until you can provide actual GGG provided statistical analytical data of the player base and their interactions, no matter what you say in any words you use to say it, you are quoting your interpretation, your opinion. That is the point being made here. You are presenting your opinion from your perspective as factual data. Data that you do not possess.

Until you can provide some kind of reference to factual data and analytics provided, this conversation goes nowhere. And I'm sorry, but I will refute every time you post your opinion as fact on the matter.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

If you, personally, do something different...that might be "normal" for you but it is NOT normal behavior for the game as a whole. You are behaving against the standard.

We are talking at a development level here: what is individually normal is irrelevant to any conversation being had. What is "normal" to the entire playerbase is what matters.


This is where looking at the bigger picture is incredibly important, and the downfall of the other threads we have engaged in. Defining normal behavior on a personal level is narrow-minded and irrelevant to larger discussions about the game. It can help give you a "feeling", but to develop that feeling into an actual discussion and idea, it has to get over the "this is how I do it" hump because you are just 1 in a sea of hundreds of thousands or millions currently and throughout the years.

These right here is my case in point. You are accusing me of perceiving something in a way and what it means to me. It is exactly what I'm telling you that you are doing. Do you see the correlation here?

Now a point I will concede. Yes, the definition of normal that you have may in mass have more a player base behind it. However, you do not have the statistical and analytical data of this game to say there is not another group of players who, play it the way I'm describing in a significant number that yes, your number may be the majority, but that other case may be right next to it, very close in the terms of numbers. Statistics change through time. What once can be defined as normal overtime can easily change through numbered statistics.

My point is you are making claims, again, that you do not have factual data to represent. It is all based on your opinion and your interpretation.


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I want to be very clear on one thing. I respect your opinion. You are entitled to it. At no point can I refute your opinion that is yours. What I must refute, is you presenting your opinion to me and other users on the forum, and supporting it only by your opinionated facts. That's the reason we are not seeing eye to eye. I have yet to see in any of our debates, actual factual information to support your opinion in your stance.

I put this in both threads b/c we're jumping back and forth.