"Game too hard" or "Too boring" and the famous "Not enough loot"

Lately, it really feels like we’re facing a "wonderful and caring" player community that, apparently — and while pretending to know everything about what makes an ARPG tick — wants to turn Path of Exile 2 into a PEGI 5 game, with zero challenge and a lifespan comparable to a fruit fly… or a modern-day Diablo, after listening to the "passionate advice" of a few loud voices.

GGG, please don’t listen 100% to these players who lack skill, introspection, and run from the slightest challenge ("the game is too hard"), patience, or sense of reward ("not enough loot"), and who are completely blinded by nostalgia ("Diablo 1 and 2 were the best, PoE 1 facerolling screen cleaning").

Please — even if perfection doesn’t exist (though you're getting really close!) — stick to the vision you already have. You are very close to the right balance.

As a SSF Hardcore player, I’ve been having a blast since early access began. I get loot at a reasonable pace, feel pure joy when I find something really good, and I’m regularly challenged — with just the right amount of sweat here and there.

Thank you!

Best regards.

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Cephilion#6658 wrote:

even if perfection doesn’t exist (though you're getting really close!)

That's a bold claim.

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Cephilion#6658 wrote:

Lately, it really feels like we’re facing a "wonderful and caring" player community that, apparently — and while pretending to know everything about what makes an ARPG tick — wants to turn Path of Exile 2 into a PEGI 5 game, with zero challenge and a lifespan comparable to a fruit fly… or a modern-day Diablo, after listening to the "passionate advice" of a few loud voices.

GGG, please don’t listen 100% to these players who lack skill, introspection, and run from the slightest challenge ("the game is too hard"), patience, or sense of reward ("not enough loot"), and who are completely blinded by nostalgia ("Diablo 1 and 2 were the best, PoE 1 facerolling screen cleaning").

Please — even if perfection doesn’t exist (though you're getting really close!) — stick to the vision you already have. You are very close to the right balance.

As a SSF Hardcore player, I’ve been having a blast since early access began. I get loot at a reasonable pace, feel pure joy when I find something really good, and I’m regularly challenged — with just the right amount of sweat here and there.

Thank you!

Best regards.

Are you delulu? The league is 2 weeks old and the game has 60-90k players depending on prime or not.

This game is so far from being good, it isn't even funny anymore. They are in early access since 6 months and didn't improve anything, yet they had the huntress already done in 2021, also the gem system, loot etc..

Somehow one of them apparently played ER 2022 with his summons and thought he can change the 2021 version and apply meaningful combat to a game where 200 enemies at once swarm you. And then he expects that the players combo around, lmao.

Worked well btw...55% of the players play LS, a one button screen clear build

I've forgotten all about it after playing LE the last couple days.

What a great game it is!

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Cephilion#6658 wrote:

Lately, it really feels like we’re facing a "wonderful and caring" player community that, apparently — and while pretending to know everything about what makes an ARPG tick — wants to turn Path of Exile 2 into a PEGI 5 game, with zero challenge and a lifespan comparable to a fruit fly… or a modern-day Diablo, after listening to the "passionate advice" of a few loud voices.

GGG, please don’t listen 100% to these players who lack skill, introspection, and run from the slightest challenge ("the game is too hard"), patience, or sense of reward ("not enough loot"), and who are completely blinded by nostalgia ("Diablo 1 and 2 were the best, PoE 1 facerolling screen cleaning").

Please — even if perfection doesn’t exist (though you're getting really close!) — stick to the vision you already have. You are very close to the right balance.

As a SSF Hardcore player, I’ve been having a blast since early access began. I get loot at a reasonable pace, feel pure joy when I find something really good, and I’m regularly challenged — with just the right amount of sweat here and there.

Thank you!

Best regards.

I'm sure your experience and input is very important to GGG with your zero dollars spent since 2013.

People bought supporter packs on the premise of a PoE2 that was a lateral game beside PoE1. Instead, we have a game that is so far removed from it they are barely recognisable.

Calling the game close to perfection is a joke, and makes me think the thread exists only to ellicit responses. Mission success, I guess. Back to last epoch.

I think it is a good thing, that PoE2 is so different from PoE1, cause it allows for both games to exist at the same time, if we would have gotten two games that are basically the same aside from the campain and the grafics, it would kill one of the two long term for sure.

Now we have chance that both games could stay alive. In my opinion both games are fun to play, while PoE2 (at last for me) still has a problem to keep players motivated long term, with achivements and challanges still missing.

PoE2 also still needs a lot of work done:
As for the common complains:
"game to hard" I myself am not a good player and I fail do dodge a lot, but that is my problem not a problem with the game itself, while I get frustrated sometimes when I get to an roadblock, I still think the difficulty of the game is pretty fair.

"too boring" for me that is mostly missing motivation in form of challanges and achivements as goals to counter the repetitive grind loop, as well as the still missing variations of content in the endgame. Which most likely changes till 1.0 comes around. Aside from that it is fun to play.

"Not enough loot" here sadly I must partly agree, but mostly for campain and early endgame.
The early game gets tedious and frustrating pretty fast, if you run into one roadblock after another due to bad luck with drops, especially weapons as well as resistances and ES/Life items.

Out of 10 chars, for me it feels like 2-3 reach the endboss of act 1 without even seeing a single cold resistance items. Which makes this boss way harder or starts a boring gear grind mid campain where you run the same area over and over again.
Same problem with the two firedamage bosses is act 2 and especially act 3 utzaal without any chaos resi...

In my opinion that could be easily solved with a crafting bench and crafts based on currency you can get from dismanteling.


The balancing is also a Problem right now, which will require a lot of work and that will take time, especially if they want to do it the right way. Here I would just wait.

Another problem are the citadels on the atlas, to search for them just feels tedious, similar to looking for the bosses in delve. While your are at it, you have no feeling for making any progress towards it, which for me kills all my motivation to even trying it. In my opinion the need a more deterministic way for it.


If PoE2 is not your kind of game, there is still PoE1 or LE. Or D5?...
I personally thing that it still needs a lot of "fine" tuning, but the core of it is already pretty good and I can see myself enjoying it a lot especially if they improve on what I mentioned above.

uber cringe stuff.

gotta love those campaign warriors, come back after reaching 95 and finish all content and we talk about hte problems this game has.

well no, you will stop bored out of your mind in white maps i'm sure. and meaningful gameplay? so you don't facetank anything until arbiter? sems like loot is not that great my man ;)

Or maybe the challenge of NULL AI of ever rushing monsters got you?
this game is currently garbage tier. It feels like devs don't even playtest anymore. anyway, cleared all, now lets play somegood games, I hear cnc has a clone? or maybe exp33? or even LE, and that game is as mid as they come (still better than 0.2)

- There is no loot in POE1
- There is no loot in POE2
- Currency is not loot
- Gambling with extra steps in POE1 and POE2 is not "crafting"

Completely agree, GGG not listening to the whiners is why i have been playing poe for 10+ years, may it continue.