Is the problem Jonathan?

"I currently have 620 hours in POE2 and honestly I am still not having fun."

You definitely need to adjust your priorities in live.

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

This thread is nothing but PoE1 enjoyers, the problem is those people, not Jonathan. These people even think Chris is on their side, HE IS NOT, Chris' vision is slow and methodic, game penalties, hardcode style, ruthless style, not zoomzoom and room clearing like most of you get their high from.

I honestly don't understand why these people OCD themselve to play PoE2 other then because it has the name in it. If it has another name you wouldn't play it and that's a fact.

Yes OP baits by controversial thread name, manipulates by setting it up as some global issue about mr. Jonathan, only to drop a bunch of his personal gripes about the game, all weak and debatable. And then come these guys screaming YES, really embarrassing, like at least pick some quality thread instead of a rude bait with a cringe list.

I stopped treating the people and their critiques serious very early, there was so much of such hysteria and manipulation, starting with 2 paragraph WE THE PEOPLE, then 5 paragraph LOOK OUT YOU WILL FAIL, then - fix my personal affix on suffix with prefix OR ELSE. I enjoy PoE 1 but it's still up, no point making 2 games the same and no point to loose your mind over it, also if 1 brings 200k people on leagues, it will be modernized when the dust settles a bit on 2.

And yes, Chris Wilson came up with ruthless, so pre first patch PoE 2 0.1 is his kind of game, not click for genocide.

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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Does PoE2 has build diversity? Compared to, let's say "Diablo 4"?! Sure. Does it have build diversity compared to PoE1? No.

PoE1 has had 10 years to achieve its current level of build diversity. Can PoE2 get 10 months? Or 5 for that matter?

Like you guys.

Why do we need to wait this long to begin with if they literally have 1 as a spreadsheet?Saying "just wait another 10 years for balance" like this is their first game is nonsensical.

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Megami83Tensei#9384 wrote:

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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Does PoE2 has build diversity? Compared to, let's say "Diablo 4"?! Sure. Does it have build diversity compared to PoE1? No.

PoE1 has had 10 years to achieve its current level of build diversity. Can PoE2 get 10 months? Or 5 for that matter?

Like you guys.

Why do we need to wait this long to begin with if they literally have 1 as a spreadsheet?Saying "just wait another 10 years for balance" like this is their first game is nonsensical.

Different game, systems, physics, skills, ideas? idk

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Rabarbar_Lichy#7553 wrote:

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

This thread is nothing but PoE1 enjoyers, the problem is those people, not Jonathan. These people even think Chris is on their side, HE IS NOT, Chris' vision is slow and methodic, game penalties, hardcode style, ruthless style, not zoomzoom and room clearing like most of you get their high from.

I honestly don't understand why these people OCD themselve to play PoE2 other then because it has the name in it. If it has another name you wouldn't play it and that's a fact.

Yes OP baits by controversial thread name, manipulates by setting it up as some global issue about mr. Jonathan, only to drop a bunch of his personal gripes about the game, all weak and debatable. And then come these guys screaming YES, really embarrassing, like at least pick some quality thread instead of a rude bait with a cringe list.

I stopped treating the people and their critiques serious very early, there was so much of such hysteria and manipulation, starting with 2 paragraph WE THE PEOPLE, then 5 paragraph LOOK OUT YOU WILL FAIL, then - fix my personal affix on suffix with prefix OR ELSE. I enjoy PoE 1 but it's still up, no point making 2 games the same and no point to loose your mind over it, also if 1 brings 200k people on leagues, it will be modernized when the dust settles a bit on 2.

And yes, Chris Wilson came up with ruthless, so pre first patch PoE 2 0.1 is his kind of game, not click for genocide.

1.Its a game that requires PLAYERS to keep going,not Jonathan's "vision".Shutting down complaints because we "should be grateful" when GGG requires people to want to play is silly

2.Your acting like these complaints aren't founded on anything and just random noise.People have talked in length about why they hate the current state of the game from streamers to the average guy who gets to maps.

3.The game literally loses players faster than 1 did WITH free weekends.They literally ended up lower than wisp's after a few days which is not healthy.If you think that's solely because "people are ungrateful" then there's no reasoning here of yours that will make sense.

If he called the shots on most of the problematic things in the game - yes.
Judging by his responces in interviews - yes.

It should have never been called Path of Exile 2. The problem with that is. They created nothing new. They just reused all of Path of Exile 1 and removed all the fun.

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Megami83Tensei#9384 wrote:

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Rabarbar_Lichy#7553 wrote:

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

This thread is nothing but PoE1 enjoyers, the problem is those people, not Jonathan. These people even think Chris is on their side, HE IS NOT, Chris' vision is slow and methodic, game penalties, hardcode style, ruthless style, not zoomzoom and room clearing like most of you get their high from.

I honestly don't understand why these people OCD themselve to play PoE2 other then because it has the name in it. If it has another name you wouldn't play it and that's a fact.

Yes OP baits by controversial thread name, manipulates by setting it up as some global issue about mr. Jonathan, only to drop a bunch of his personal gripes about the game, all weak and debatable. And then come these guys screaming YES, really embarrassing, like at least pick some quality thread instead of a rude bait with a cringe list.

I stopped treating the people and their critiques serious very early, there was so much of such hysteria and manipulation, starting with 2 paragraph WE THE PEOPLE, then 5 paragraph LOOK OUT YOU WILL FAIL, then - fix my personal affix on suffix with prefix OR ELSE. I enjoy PoE 1 but it's still up, no point making 2 games the same and no point to loose your mind over it, also if 1 brings 200k people on leagues, it will be modernized when the dust settles a bit on 2.

And yes, Chris Wilson came up with ruthless, so pre first patch PoE 2 0.1 is his kind of game, not click for genocide.

1.Its a game that requires PLAYERS to keep going,not Jonathan's "vision".Shutting down complaints because we "should be grateful" when GGG requires people to want to play is silly

2.Your acting like these complaints aren't founded on anything and just random noise.People have talked in length about why they hate the current state of the game from streamers to the average guy who gets to maps.

3.The game literally loses players faster than 1 did WITH free weekends.They literally ended up lower than wisp's after a few days which is not healthy.If you think that's solely because "people are ungrateful" then there's no reasoning here of yours that will make sense.

Except I said none of the things you talk about. I'm talking about the style of the critique, the weak blackmails, baits, projecting the hivemind queen, it was just annoying. I'm not saying you can't complain, just don't paint it as objective, like for example your soft attempt now with "from average guy to the streamers, people dropping it fast etc", so basicaly everyone or at least everyone with a brain eh? You forgot Steam reviews and reddit.

1 who said you should be grateful

2 problem is, again, that many of these people talk like their problems with the game are objective and solutions obvious, while most often there are opposite camps on those issues, with no way to measure who is vocal minority, majority or whatever, how do we solve, do we vote, count supporter pack money etc

streamer yes, another great bunch, main problem is they are PoE 1 streamers so many not a great fit for 2, some never got over their ass getting handed to them like Zizarian in the demo, in general just a few people who have obvious interest in turning 2 into 1

3. what's with the ungratefulness again

Short answer: No! Jonathan isn't the problem.

While I don't know the reality inside GGG, this is my speculation. The real problem is Tencent and whoever made the deal with Tencent...

- Too much code bases to maintain, some fat should be trimmed here, for example, older platforms. Console is dead on PoE1, start by cutting there.

+ Small groups of the community with high visibility/louder voice trying to push their agenda, much times against the vast majority of the community. The fix is simple, do what Asian Gacha games do, focus on polls and queries to all community and not on focus groups or streamers.

- Clear lack of priorities, stability and performance should be the main goal, NOT CONTENT, specially when we're running early access/beta.

- Monetisation: early access is not being used to iron bugs, implement and improve the code base of the game, this has been replaced by monetization, I would probably blame Tencent and blue collars.

- Pressure from influencers: influencers are present to farm engagement and generate views. This doesn't mean all are like that, there's definitely some legit influencers, but a lot of tourists are hurting the game. This is mostly visible if a delay needs to happen for whatever reason, and the pushback/engagement farm/drama.

- etc


In sum, this isnt directly Rogers fault in my opinion. And whoever wants to aim the batteries to the man, I openly challenge you to prove you are better by presenting a better SMP scheduler... In 4 months 😈 make sure it works good on a dual Xeon 8200 Platinum series with 112 threads 😈😭🔥

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

While I don't know the reality inside GGG, this is my speculation. The real problem is Tencent and whoever made the deal with Tencent...

It's not Tencent, it's not Jonathan, it's whole GGG. PoE1 is good by accident. We are going the same path PoE1 went.