RIP POE. You will be missed

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RedaOu#0533 wrote:

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AlekzZz84#2947 wrote:

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RedaOu#0533 wrote:

The POE community is literally the only community I've ever heard say "we want a completely different game for PoE2". Like imagine if a new Counter Strike game was a monster raising sim and CS players were like "This is great, I wanted the new CS to be a completely different game because we still have the decade old one to play!". I've never heard this argument before and the idea that a company should leverage the brand and IP and hype of a game series to just make a completely different game is usually seen as a bad thing. Most people want the "2" of their game series to be a new and improved version of the stuff they loved about the "1" of the game series.

WUT??? I never heard anybody say that!!! I for instance just want PoE1 with better graphics and animations

You haven't been watching the streamers or the pro-PoE2 feedback since release then. It's not a majority of people but there is a large cohort of people who actually want the game to be completely different because "PoE1 will still be there" (which is fanciful thinking from people who has never been in a position of understanding in a business).

well ppl said that after GGG said they will maintain both games, but nobody wanted both games initially, cause poe1 is too dated, we all wanted better graphics and animations, anyways, doesnt matter, at current state both games are unplayable, poe2 is boring, poe1 is too dated

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AlekzZz84#2947 wrote:

I for instance just want PoE1 with better graphics and animations

This is what I want. And WASD...

I'm frankly fine with a slowed pace, but there has to be setup with payoff. Payoffs don't feel good at all.

Kind of like when you parry in Elden Ring and then crit and the boss gets Chunked, in this game you might notice the healthbar move for the first time, but just barely...

Bump.

Also to quote this absolute beast of a line:

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The POE community is literally the only community I've ever heard say "we want a completely different game for PoE2".

Please GGG, please for the love of all things holy stop listening to the idiots.

> Poe 1 = massive success

> Poe 2 = "I know, let's completely change everything! The whole feel, every system, let's just throw out a decade of excellent design choices to make a entirely different game"

All that needed to happen was:
- Updated graphics
- New gems / supports
- New mobs and variations
- New bosses
- New maps
- Maybe a nice storyline (optional)

Not a major change to every damn system and the mechanical feel of the game!

I have been playing GGG games for over a decade. Since the Poe1 open beta. I try to purchase a support pack every launch. The reason was simple a game design and that there is no pay to win model. However, the game design for POE2 is insanely bad. Let's say you are a new player. Hey, I got an idea. I want more life for my character. How do I do that? Okay, get life on gear. But I can't target craft that. Okay, I will use crap gear from the ground. Okay, let's get life from the passive tree. Sorry, there is no life on the tree; it is too powerful. What the crap GGG. That is insane. Just one example. How about putting stuff in the game because it is understandable and easy to use? Seriously, I'm out. Do they realize that there are other games in the world that are fun to play? The game is dead.

The worst thing is that they lied for years about what PoE2 is. It was supposed to be an UPDATE to PoE1 with better graphics, remove bloat, streamline some stuff... the things that we needed to continue for another 10 years of zooming.

GGG, you had such a dedicated player base that threw you money every few months. I can't talk for everyone but I will never again give GGG anything. Probably not even my time anymore as PoE1 will probably never get a decent update again.

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

This is really the issue at hand. The devs are so obsessed with correcting what they perceive as the flaws of poe1, things that got out of hand and modernizing it, that they don't really understand what made it special and unique.

Funny thing is, they completely missed what the actual flaws of PoE1 are and brought them to PoE2 wholesale:

- Monster speed and damage overwhelming the player instantly (including janky monster affix combinations)
--- The reason PoE1 worked still, is that you can counter this with zoom and boom, which players like doing and in the end has become PoE1's identity

- Itemisation is unbalanced and doesn't offer smooth progression
--- PoE1 worked around this with detailed crafting and trade. PoE2, no good trade system, loot is even worse, no crafting

- Sockets and colours needed for skill power, needing to get that 6L or just the right mix across gear to fit your build into
--- PoE1 you just fix with currency dump and rolling (i.e. play the game more). PoE2, you don't even drop the currency to get to 6L in the first place...

- Melee. Well, mostly because point 1 above and no good defensive counters for melee (e.g. Fortification doesn't work). Say no more.

Broken fundamentals, I hope GGG can solve some of these along the way as PoE2 does have potential still.

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AlekzZz84#2947 wrote:

they said they have 10 years of PoE1 experience and now know how to make the "best" arpg int he world... well by the looks of it you they have no clue why PoE1 was good in the first place... SMH what a dissapointment...

CHRIS has 10 years of POE Dev experience. Everyone else has been recylced again and again so that none of the devs working on POE2 have much experience iwht POE1. Jonathan and Mark think they can do a better job but end up making fools of them selves.

The paragraph about ascendancies is really resonating with me. There's so many first nodes you can take that won't actually increase your power until you overcome some sort of shitty downside, which trying to do in the campaign when mods on gear and the tree are so weak.

I took the can have two shocks node on Stormweaver, and along with heavy investment in shock chance and lightning damage on the tree, and keeping two shocks on an enemy is still iffy as hell.

There's also so many nodes in ascendancies with a followup node that would make you feel stupid for not taking. It shrinks the feeling of choice on a tree that already lets you get just 4 notables. It's just bad design.

I dunno, man.
I like PoE2 much more than PoE1 and it’s still EA.

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Comatoes#9135 wrote:

I dunno, man.
I like PoE2 much more than PoE1 and it’s still EA.

Hey man. We are really happy for you. We are giving feedback. This kind of stuff doesn't really help out. A lot of us are frustrated because we feel like we kind of got cheated a bit. I don't mind the game slowing down or becoming harder, but this doesn't feel like Path of Exile, the game this one is trying to be a sequel of. This feels like shit. It's slow, and plodding and uninteresting. POE1 is one of the greatest concoctions of mechanics ever created. I want you to be happy playing this game, but this game is ruthless. And those player numbers league after league are very, very low. If you want the game to continue, please just let us have our feedback. I can guarantee you that GGG will have a compromise that makes everyone happy because that is what they have always done. The game will be harder, slower but not like this. This isn't interesting.