Dear GGG, Stop Trying to Make a Game For Everyone; Stick to your Core POE1 Customers

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MEITTI#3999 wrote:

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Kraythax#2592 wrote:

No, I said "... why our core customers hate about poe1." The core customers dont include people like you who didn't play it. They include the player base that has been buying MTX from them for years. You are not a core customer. You bought an EA key and have no supporter packs or was given an EA key by someone else. You are not an asset to this business at this time.

Games that only cater to low impulse control whales such as yourself at the expense of the general playerbase die very quickly. Whales don't enjoy playing amongst themselves because then they are all equal and can't flex their shiny MTX wings on anybody. Been playing first game since Piety was still the final boss. I don't like buying skins in a game where the whole point is your characters appearance changing according to what gear you're wearing. I've been buying other stuff instead.

Again you denigrate paying customers of GGG with "impulse control whales". Not only is that disrespectful and in violation of rules of the forum, it is inaccurate. A whale usually refers to someone that pays to win. That is impossible in POE1. Of course what you are doing is saying, "Any paying customer that actually gave GGG money is a bad person with bad impulse control" Not only is that a NASTY thing to say its just not factual.

I have, over the years, paid GGG some $4k to $5k through my 2 accounts and gifts to others. That's not an impulse control problem. That is me spending my entertainment money where I choose. I can easily afford it and when it comes to value of entertainment per dollar, its money well spent. What gives you the right to judge that?

At any rate your insults fall flat because we are the customers of the game. Those providing actual value to GGG and enabling them to continue bringing entertainment to us.

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MEITTI#3999 wrote:

I find it baffling that someone whose been playing the amount you have fails to realize that power creep is inevitable the more Leagues for PoE 2 come out, so you will eventually get more and more deterministic crafting options because GGG wants to figure out new kind of mechanics and rewards to encourage people trying the new League.
Curious that a self-proclaimed "successful business owner" fails to realize this simple fact. Hopefully this lack of simple foresight does not reflect on your businesses as well.

This is not a new project, all of these systems have been tried and tested. Telling a POE1 player we need to wait 2 years for them to sell the harvest bench to us again is ... bad. That is assuming they even intend to do so. I dont know what is worse, the intention to not learn POE1 lessons or the intent to sell us back the things we already have. I think the second is worse so I will assume they just, erroneously, decided to not include it now.

This isnt a new game studio that doesnt know what is works and is trying something new. Delirium, Expedition, Breach and more are all POE1 mechanics. They didnt make things better, they took out, on purpose, things that people liked and I question that decision.

But frankly since you see people who spend money on this game as "whales with impulse control problems" GGG shouldn't listen to your feedback if they value their BUSINESS.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

lol, and the answer is in the post you quoted. also you haven't been here for a decade, you are not the decade long supporter you making it yourself out to be, you fall into the group i refereed to earlier.

This account alone has been here a lot longer than yours. My profile and purchases are public information. Just on this account if you add it up is over 1k of MTX purchases, money WELL SPENT. I also had another account 5 or so years ago but the steam account got hacked and corrupted and a lot of bad stuff occurred in one of steam's many data breaches. Thats why I started a new account and I dont use steam to log in anymore. I also have a ps5 account and purchases of gifts for friends and family. GGG can easily look me up.

Perhaps you should reveal your extensive history so we know you are speaking from experience. Intuition tells me you wont.

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Kraythax#2592 wrote:

Again you denigrate paying customers of GGG with "impulse control whales". Not only is that disrespectful and in violation of rules of the forum, it is inaccurate.

I'm sure you comparing other customers purchases to yours and dismissing their feedback as "worthless" on that basis is similarly disrespectful and in violation of rules of the forum. You're acting like that one guy in a busy night club entrance going "nah-nah-nah" at anyone standing in line instead of having your precious VIP pass.

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What gives you the right to judge that?

You judging others based on how they spend their money, that opened you to fair criticism. When you're being nasty to others, that gives them the license to be as nasty as they want to you. Very simple.

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This is not a new project, all of these systems have been tried and tested.

Didn't you just say that PoE 1 had problems of its own? How can it be "tried and tested simultaneously? Stop contradicting yourself.

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Telling a POE1 player we need to wait 2 years for them to sell the harvest bench to us again is

If you would've actually listened the patch interview, they're trying to balance the crafting so that not all drops in the endgame would feel terrible. That is always a balancing act on a tightrope and never easy, because players like you demand to get Mageblood in Twilight Strand and then simultaneously complain that all the belt drops in the game after the fact are terrible. Of course they are because you already got your wish and you got the best belt in the game.

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This isnt a new game studio that doesnt know what is works and is trying something new. Delirium, Expedition, Breach and more are all POE1 mechanics. They didnt make things better, they took out, on purpose, things that people liked and I question that decision.

They're clearly still unfinished. Delirium occasionally calls Distilled Emotions Oils which should tell you enough. You're willingly coming inside an amusement park that isn't finished yet and complain that the carousel doesn't have music yet and theres a huge sandpit where the rollercoaster should be. No amount of you screaming that you're a paying customer is going to make the amount of work shrink.

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But frankly since you see people who spend money on this game as "whales with impulse control problems" GGG shouldn't listen to your feedback if they value their BUSINESS.

But you haven't given any feedback yet. You've just been saying how the game is generally doing "wrong thing" without specifying anything else but the fact you don't get your broken Harvest crafting and other instant gratification win buttons that can help you skip the game instead of playing it.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

ah yes, rmt never pays off. explains your overall attitude and entitlement tho. again man, even poe2 devs admitted they didn't play the game you played, they stopped playing poe1 six/seven years ago, what do you think that means?

That means you're talking crap for no reason.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3545227
Mark still has 14 challenges in Settlers. Not bad for a busy man supposedly not playing for years...

Also check at 2:00 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrGhakEF8QY

That would be quite interesting if you did put your profile as public.

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Kraythax#2592 wrote:

Elden Ring and the souls series has proven to western developers that you can make a hard game and a deep game and people will still flock to it so long as it is a fun game.

Elden Ring was a huge departure from the core of the Souls series, and many old Souls fans were disappointed by it.
Ironic that you would use it as a positive example to prove your point.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

many of us who fell in love with poe way back in 2013 saw the game slowly deteriorate into a gotacha game. devs expressed similar take on this, hence they made poe2. now you, ppl that joined after 2017, didn't lose anything because poe1 is still there, but you feel entitled to turn yet another game into poe1 which, again, already exists.

Exactly this. When I started PoE 2 I almost cried in happiness how much it reminded me of good old 2013 PoE. The last thing I wish is turning PoE 2 into the same overtuned abomination as PoE 1.

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

many of us who fell in love with poe way back in 2013 saw the game slowly deteriorate into a gotacha game. devs expressed similar take on this, hence they made poe2. now you, ppl that joined after 2017, didn't lose anything because poe1 is still there, but you feel entitled to turn yet another game into poe1 which, again, already exists.

Exactly this. When I started PoE 2 I almost cried in happiness how much it reminded me of good old 2013 PoE. The last thing I wish is turning PoE 2 into the same overtuned abomination as PoE 1.

I recommend SSF then

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

I recommend SSF then

I recommend POE1 then

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

not sure who/how much played. it was stated i think by Jonathan that he lost interest in it and didn't play for 6 years on one of the streams.

many of us who fell in love with poe way back in 2013 saw the game slowly deteriorate into a gotacha game. devs expressed similar take on this, hence they made poe2. now you, ppl that joined after 2017, didn't lose anything because poe1 is still there, but you feel entitled to turn yet another game into poe1 which, again, already exists.

Question is, did Jonathan ever played that much in the first place ?

They didn't make PoE2 for that reason though, you're twisting reality, talking crap again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcd9BfVw7hQ (Path of Exile 2 Announcement)
You can watch everything, or start specifically at 5:05 and get the facts straight. THAT, is why and how they started PoE2.

And then that's funny, because you again bring your crap regarding how PoE was in the past, that PoE1 still there and whatnot (won't even start as to why PoE1 definitly isn't here at the moment).
I didn't talk about that, why are you bringing that up ?
The irony that you call ppl entitled, when you are expressing yourself as one so hard : 'I don't like how PoE1 turned out, so PoE2 is for me ! Even devs agree with me ! You still have PoE1"
You're feeling as much entitled as the other dude, but in the opposite direction. Still entitled though...

Oh, by the way. I play since beta... at first as a throw away account as I didn't know how serious that would be, and later on this account (early 2015). So your : "now you, ppl that joined after 2017" was delicious.

Public profile when ?

( If you can't understand POE1 crafting system in 2.5k hours, maybe go back to school :D )