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In general early access started out as alpha funding or paid alphas.
So yeah, i personally look at EA games as a beta stage at best.
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Posted byyhn_yohan#2057on Jan 16, 2025, 3:29:06 AM
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In general early access started out as alpha funding or paid alphas.
So yeah, i personally look at EA games as a beta stage at best.
You could make that argument if Poe2 was absolutely fresh product.
It's same engine, same code but some textures were added or ai upscaled.
So obviously expectation shouldn't be the same compared to Early Access games that launch in a fresh state, this game had 12+ years of development time and feedback and code.
And on top of everything else, it wasn't free.
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Posted byAlivkos#3986on Jan 16, 2025, 3:35:40 AM
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In general early access started out as alpha funding or paid alphas.
So yeah, i personally look at EA games as a beta stage at best.
You could make that argument if Poe2 was absolutely fresh product.
It's same engine, same code but some textures were added or ai upscaled.
So obviously expectation shouldn't be the same compared to Early Access games that launch in a fresh state, this game had 12+ years of development time and feedback and code.
And on top of everything else, it wasn't free.
Doesn't change the fact that the game is still in development though.
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Posted byyhn_yohan#2057on Jan 16, 2025, 3:36:45 AM
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But that's the one of the problems here. It's called EA, not beta.
And EA means something very different.
Does it? Or it's just a newly invented marketing term?
Poe 1 had closed beta, then open beta and then release, simply because 'early access' term was not yet invented. It means the same thing; a playable, but yet unfinished game with bugs, exploits, imbalance, missing content...
And we bough exactly into this unfinished game to provide data for GGG to debug, polish and balance it. We are beta testers. People who understand this are giving feedback (positive or negative) and (some) people who don't understand this are complaining and raging.
Yeah, as I'd like to disagree, you have a valid point. For me personally EA is couple of stages above beta, it's almost finished product that needs a stress testing. And some missed bugs debugging.
Still, even in current state it was fun to play. With new patchnotes, real ones, it seems they're really doing something about things. And as long as it lasts I'll be happy.
Besides, still have all the locked skins, need to try them lol
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Posted byShadySlipper#9001on Jan 16, 2025, 3:46:08 AM
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It's same engine, same code but some textures were added or ai upscaled.
So obviously expectation shouldn't be the same compared to Early Access games that launch in a fresh state, this game had 12+ years of development time and feedback and code.
And on top of everything else, it wasn't free.
You are making things up. You don't know anything about the engine or code and both games obviously look vastly different in terms of models, textures, animations and effects. Saying Poe2 is a 'reskinned' game is pure nonsense. Even the content that was pulled from Poe1 looks different and it was at the very least updated, if not re-made from scratch.
'Early access' means an unfinished product with bugs, imbalance & missing content. It's just a marketing term that sounds more palatable to prospective buyers than 'beta' - and it wasn't invented by GGG, but by the gaming industry. GGG is just going along with the times.
When night falls
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In impenetrable darkness
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Posted bymorbo#1824on Jan 16, 2025, 3:47:09 AM
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In general early access started out as alpha funding or paid alphas.
So yeah, i personally look at EA games as a beta stage at best.
You could make that argument if Poe2 was absolutely fresh product.
It's same engine, same code but some textures were added or ai upscaled.
So obviously expectation shouldn't be the same compared to Early Access games that launch in a fresh state, this game had 12+ years of development time and feedback and code.
And on top of everything else, it wasn't free.
You again? Can you back up your claims for once that they used the same code and textures were upscaled with AI?
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Posted byGimatria#7361on Jan 16, 2025, 3:48:28 AM
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It's same engine, same code but some textures were added or ai upscaled.
So obviously expectation shouldn't be the same compared to Early Access games that launch in a fresh state, this game had 12+ years of development time and feedback and code.
And on top of everything else, it wasn't free.
You are making things up. You don't know anything about the engine or code and both games obviously look vastly different in terms of models, textures, animations and effects. Saying Poe2 is a 'reskinned' game is pure nonsense. Even the content that was pulled from Poe1 looks different and it was at the very least updated, if not re-made from scratch.
'Early access' means an unfinished product with bugs, imbalance & missing content. It's just a marketing term that sounds more palatable to prospective buyers than 'beta' - and it wasn't invented by GGG, but by the gaming industry. GGG is just going along with the times.
You seem to be the clueless one if you think poe2 isn't using the same engine as poe1.
Alva was called Faustus for 2 weeks, that's literally copy pasted code from previous poe1 league. What more proof do you need? A lot of animations are poe1 animations.
But we all know that most of the work on poe2 was done by animators and people who made layouts.
Actual code and how it works is terrible since it's just reused.
They are not even trying to fix performance for endgame, which is a major point for playing the game.
Do you like playing at 30 fps in breach? Like really man?
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Posted byAlivkos#3986on Jan 16, 2025, 3:50:50 AM
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It's same engine, same code but some textures were added or ai upscaled.
So obviously expectation shouldn't be the same compared to Early Access games that launch in a fresh state, this game had 12+ years of development time and feedback and code.
And on top of everything else, it wasn't free.
You are making things up. You don't know anything about the engine or code and both games obviously look vastly different in terms of models, textures, animations and effects. Saying Poe2 is a 'reskinned' game is pure nonsense. Even the content that was pulled from Poe1 looks different and it was at the very least updated, if not re-made from scratch.
'Early access' means an unfinished product with bugs, imbalance & missing content. It's just a marketing term that sounds more palatable to prospective buyers than 'beta' - and it wasn't invented by GGG, but by the gaming industry. GGG is just going along with the times.
Look at the other posts from this person. He's either extremely mad or he's working for the competition.
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Posted byGimatria#7361on Jan 16, 2025, 3:51:21 AM
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They are not even trying to fix performance for endgame, which is a major point for playing the game.
If you read the latest patch notes, you will see they are working on fixing various performance issues. Step by step. Can't finish the game over the weekend, as some impatient people are expecting.
Gonna skip the rest of the wild interpretations of what supposedly constitutes an 'engine' and 'code', because it leads nowhere.
When night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
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Posted bymorbo#1824on Jan 16, 2025, 4:10:13 AM
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In general early access started out as alpha funding or paid alphas.
So yeah, i personally look at EA games as a beta stage at best.
You could make that argument if Poe2 was absolutely fresh product.
It's same engine, same code but some textures were added or ai upscaled.
So obviously expectation shouldn't be the same compared to Early Access games that launch in a fresh state, this game had 12+ years of development time and feedback and code.
And on top of everything else, it wasn't free.
Your guesses and speculation are irrelevant.Yuor distinction if its free or not is irrelevant. You bought an early access game . From steam "Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development."
Yuo didnt pay to get a polished product. You paid to take part in the developement of the game, which by definition , at this stage, may be far from perfect.
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Posted byFireStorm1010#8675on Jan 16, 2025, 7:29:58 AM
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