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My guess: He's doing explosive arrow stacking, and switching to Searing Touch after he's got the fuses stacked. Doedre's or the like (for the 2nd unique item) for 2 curses, maybe?

It's almost certainly centered around crits & fire as burning damage multiplies so well with just a handful of nodes and searing touch. Probably has Concentrated Effect on it, as the explosion damage would be increased multiplicatively by that, and his calculations are probably on a no resist mob, getting cursed by ele weakness and flammability.

Level 20 explosive arrow does a 785 (max) explosion, level 23 (+2 bow gems, +1 gems on a 6L bow) would be something like 1104 per fuse (this was a semi-wild guess, based on how much explosive arrow increases up to level 20, the wiki didn't have any info past 20, so I took an educated guess). A stack of 5 fuses would be 5520, it won't get boosted by weapon elemental damage, though (and a good thing it doesn't!). Concentrated Effect (level 21) = 70% more. Searing Touch has up to 40% increased fire and 70% increased burn damage (which of course is multiplicative with the fire damage, which is why I'd be shocked if he isn't using Searing Touch in a gimmicky way).

Assume 900% crit damage, 80% burning damage from the tree, 150% fire/elemental from tree, Perfect fire roll on Searing Touch.

Ele/fire from tree/Searing Touch first:
5520 * (1 + 1.5 + 0.4)

Then Concentrated Effect's multiplicative effect:
* 1.7

Then the 900% crit multi:
* 9

Degen from level 21 Ele Weakness (-50%) and Flammability (-50%), that doubles the damage.
* 2

(~490k)

Then the burning damage increase from the tree, Searing and the support gem:
* (1 + 0.7 + 0.8 + 0.6)

~1,518,519

Area damage nodes would also boost it (like the ones by Templar and Witch). Just a few more %s in a couple of those areas and you'd be really close to his numbers, though I may already be stretching with a few of those numbers (most notably crit damage), they're definitely not impossible.

Am I close, Lamaen?


EDIT:
Burning only does damage for 1/3rd of the base damage per second, though, forgot to calculate that, so it'd only be ~500k in burning/sec, but you'd want to calculate the explosion damage, as well, which would be about 1 million damage the first second, and about 2.5 million total over the life of the burn (4 seconds). o.O
How Fusings Work: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/38585/page/3#p1451934

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Last edited by TehHammer#0539 on May 5, 2013, 11:59:59 PM
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TehHammer wrote:
My guess: He's doing explosive arrow stacking, and switching to Searing Touch after he's got the fuses stacked. Doedre's or the like (for the 2nd unique item) for 2 curses, maybe?

It's almost certainly centered around crits & fire as burning damage multiplies so well with just a handful of nodes and searing touch. Probably has Concentrated Effect on it, as the explosion damage would be increased multiplicatively by that, and his calculations are probably on a no resist mob, getting cursed by ele weakness and flammability.

Level 20 explosive arrow does a 785 (max) explosion, level 23 (+2 bow gems, +1 gems on a 6L bow) would be something like 1104 per fuse (this was a semi-wild guess, based on how much explosive arrow increases up to level 20, the wiki didn't have any info past 20, so I took an educated guess). A stack of 5 fuses would be 5520, it won't get boosted by weapon elemental damage, though (and a good thing it doesn't!). Concentrated Effect (level 21) = 70% more. Searing Touch has up to 40% increased fire and 70% increased burn damage (which of course is multiplicative with the fire damage, which is why I'd be shocked if he isn't using Searing Touch in a gimmicky way).

Assume 900% crit damage, 80% burning damage from the tree, 150% fire/elemental from tree, Perfect fire roll on Searing Touch.

Ele/fire from tree/Searing Touch first:
5520 * (1 + 1.5 + 0.4)

Then Concentrated Effect's multiplicative effect:
* 1.7

Then the 900% crit multi:
* 9

Degen from level 21 Ele Weakness (-50%) and Flammability (-50%), that doubles the damage.
* 2

(~490k)

Then the burning damage increase from the tree, Searing and the support gem:
* (1 + 0.7 + 0.8 + 0.6)

~1,518,519

Area damage nodes would also boost it (like the ones by Templar and Witch). Just a few more %s in a couple of those areas and you'd be really close to his numbers, though I may already be stretching with a few of those numbers (most notably crit damage), they're definitely not impossible.

Am I close, Lamaen?


EDIT:
Burning only does damage for 1/3rd of the base damage per second, though, forgot to calculate that, so it'd only be ~500k in burning/sec, but you'd want to calculate the explosion damage, as well, which would be about 1 million damage the first second, and about 2.5 million total over the life of the burn (4 seconds). o.O


Burning also doesn't stack. Only one fuse will cause a burn at a time, so you can't use 5520 as your base for the burning damage.

The burn damage is actually 75925.944 per second on a crit.

Also, this build would probably die in one hit from anything.
Last edited by Xendran#1127 on May 6, 2013, 12:11:00 AM
I think Clive's onto something here...

It seems Lamaen is just looking for some alchemists to make him some wildfire.
same name in-game
this was entertaining to read.
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TehHammer wrote:
My guess: He's doing explosive arrow stacking, and switching to Searing Touch after he's got the fuses stacked. Doedre's or the like (for the 2nd unique item) for 2 curses, maybe?

It's almost certainly centered around crits & fire as burning damage multiplies so well with just a handful of nodes and searing touch. Probably has Concentrated Effect on it, as the explosion damage would be increased multiplicatively by that, and his calculations are probably on a no resist mob, getting cursed by ele weakness and flammability.

Level 20 explosive arrow does a 785 (max) explosion, level 23 (+2 bow gems, +1 gems on a 6L bow) would be something like 1104 per fuse (this was a semi-wild guess, based on how much explosive arrow increases up to level 20, the wiki didn't have any info past 20, so I took an educated guess). A stack of 5 fuses would be 5520, it won't get boosted by weapon elemental damage, though (and a good thing it doesn't!). Concentrated Effect (level 21) = 70% more. Searing Touch has up to 40% increased fire and 70% increased burn damage (which of course is multiplicative with the fire damage, which is why I'd be shocked if he isn't using Searing Touch in a gimmicky way).

Assume 900% crit damage, 80% burning damage from the tree, 150% fire/elemental from tree, Perfect fire roll on Searing Touch.

Ele/fire from tree/Searing Touch first:
5520 * (1 + 1.5 + 0.4)

Then Concentrated Effect's multiplicative effect:
* 1.7

Then the 900% crit multi:
* 9

Degen from level 21 Ele Weakness (-50%) and Flammability (-50%), that doubles the damage.
* 2

(~490k)

Then the burning damage increase from the tree, Searing and the support gem:
* (1 + 0.7 + 0.8 + 0.6)

~1,518,519

Area damage nodes would also boost it (like the ones by Templar and Witch). Just a few more %s in a couple of those areas and you'd be really close to his numbers, though I may already be stretching with a few of those numbers (most notably crit damage), they're definitely not impossible.

Am I close, Lamaen?


EDIT:
Burning only does damage for 1/3rd of the base damage per second, though, forgot to calculate that, so it'd only be ~500k in burning/sec, but you'd want to calculate the explosion damage, as well, which would be about 1 million damage the first second, and about 2.5 million total over the life of the burn (4 seconds). o.O


Well i can give you a few hints though to get u somewhat closer ;) first off what if i told u that i somewhere in my build had power charge on crit (allready said im es build), and therefore instead of getting ice spear i could shockstack units instead? :) since shockstack is applied twice, which no one really thinks about.. - fire resist also stacks twice.

Let me give you a small example :

100fire dmg, minus 150 resist(elemenetal equilibrium) = the fire dmg hits for 100*2,5
Then it is multiplied by shocking = *2,2 . So ur actual dmg is not this high, but the dmg ur fire burst hits for is that high on the creep. then comes burn dmg = *1,33 (100% right is *4 / 3 , i am calculating each sec).
you get 733 burn dmg / sec for that.
BUT the creep takes way more damage than that, because of the minus resist, so the damage is * 2,5 once again, and then *2,2 from shocking, so the actual burn dmg from 100firedamage is 4033,33, or a factor 1:40 (ish) :)

EDIT :And here you also see the only mechanic im not so certain about. Is minus resist and shock stacks added at the same time so its perhaps instead * 4,7 , because that answer turns the burn damage to (only) 3k. if anyone knows feel free to enlighten me :)
Last edited by Lamaen#1769 on May 6, 2013, 2:23:01 AM
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Iao wrote:
I think Clive's onto something here...

It seems Lamaen is just looking for some alchemists to make him some wildfire.


(y)

I am actually scared to write the actual number i came close to( by guessing) if you achieve high lvl gear, since the reactions i allready got for 1,3mill is being attacked so hard.. :)
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sanleon wrote:
What is the currency needed for your build?


well for it to work best 2 6link, one being a shavronnes, alone that is fucking expensive man, and to get one 6link.. :) 1 unique curse ring

and loads of quality gems im afraid, because power charge on crit etc. stacks really well with quality. plus i mean if you wanna test the build end game, you're gonna need at least mid/end-game ES gear, in order to survive anyways...
Last edited by Lamaen#1769 on May 6, 2013, 2:15:37 AM
so easy.. just another glass cannon explosive arrow build
with new gem "increased burning damage"
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voidex wrote:
so easy.. just another glass cannon explosive arrow build
with new gem "increased burning damage"


I guess that is the easy thing to believe, but i can tell you that i am not using explosive arrow, :)

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