looking for a guy who plays default and is wealthy

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aimlessgun wrote:
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Mischief67 wrote:


1. Dude can't post is so-called calculus / spec. (no reason whatsoever not to except bollocks)


Well, I showed that 10 million Freezing Pulse DPS is actually quite possible on a fully debuffed target, so frankly I don't see any reason not to believe 1.3 million, even if he's not using RF as he claims. With a possible 12x damage multiplier all told from full debuffs, you only need a bit over 100k base to get 1.3 million. I can get that right now, with gear that is light years from perfect, in a non-glass cannon build.


Fuck, serious? I'm reading 1k tooltip dps on my freezing pulse. Teach me how to get to 10 million, lol.
Elemental Weakness gives -59% at level 20 with 20 quality.
Frostbite gives another -49% at level 20.
Elemental Equilibrium gives -50%.
Cold Penetration gives -35% at level 20.

If a mob has 0 base cold res, you would do 293% of your damage.

Righteous Fire gives 87% more spell damage at level 20.
Pain attunement gives 30% more as well, bringing you up to 1.87*1.3 more spell damage.

1000% critical strike multiplier is achievable. Let's also assume you have 350% spell damage from gear/passives/support gems.

A level 20 freezing pulse has 291 top end cold damage.

291*4.5(for spell damage)*2.93(for debuffs)*10(for crit)*1.87*1.3(for pain attunement/righteous fire)=93273 top end cold damage for a single projectile.

Let's assume it's supported by a level 20 GMP.

This would mean each projectile did 93273*.5*1.38=64358 damage.
64358*5=321790 damage per cast of freezing pulse.

This would mean that you would have to have a bit more than 3 casts per second to deal 1M COLD damage with your Freezing Pulse. Now, if you have added lightning, you do even more, along with shock stacking the target.
Last edited by Pastromy#5792 on May 9, 2013, 11:58:52 PM
A thread discussing if OP has or not such build has now 14 pages, how sad.
Wow Pastromy. That was really detailed. Thanks. I must say I really like the numbers you pulled out. I'm going to hijack this thread since OP isn't delivering.

Ah, I see how that works. So this is all for the very best case scenario with the most you can get in a single hit. The actual average dps would likely be lower, but this is with the best case scenario.

So my build is probably pretty strong. It's just I have the illusion it's weak.

I use 6l freeze pulse with frost + ele weakness, shock stacks, and gmp. 350%ish crit chance and multiplier. Only frostbite is quality. I imagine once I quality my gems out, and get a few more levels and nodes, I'll be quite a bit stronger. Thanks :)
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Pastromy wrote:
Elemental Weakness gives -59% at level 20 with 20 quality.
Frostbite gives another -49% at level 20.
Elemental Equilibrium gives -50%.
Cold Penetration gives -35% at level 20.

If a mob has 0 base cold res, you would do 293% of your damage.

Righteous Fire gives 87% more spell damage at level 20.
Pain attunement gives 30% more as well, bringing you up to 107% more spell damage.

1000% critical strike multiplier is achievable. Let's also assume you have 350% spell damage from gear/passives/support gems.

A level 20 freezing pulse has 291 top end cold damage.

291*3.5(for spell damage)*2.93(for debuffs)*10(for crit)*2.07(for pain attunement/righteous fire)=79422 top end cold damage for a single projectile.

Let's assume it's supported by a level 20 GMP.

This would mean each projectile did 79422*.5*1.38=54801 damage.
54801*5=274005 damage per cast of freezing pulse.

This would mean that you would have to have a bit under four casts per second to deal 1M COLD damage with your Freezing Pulse. Now, if you have added lightning, you do even more, along with shock stacking the target. With 3 shock stacks, you'll do 120% more damage yet (meaning around 2.4M with 4 casts per second).


Surely by that logic the theoretical damage of a lightning attack would be way higher then FP because all your calcs are based on top end damage.
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Pastromy wrote:
Righteous Fire gives 87% more spell damage at level 20.
Pain attunement gives 30% more as well, bringing you up to 107% more spell damage.

87+30=117
Just saiyan.
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Herpy_Derpleson wrote:
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Pastromy wrote:
Righteous Fire gives 87% more spell damage at level 20.
Pain attunement gives 30% more as well, bringing you up to 107% more spell damage.

87+30=117
Just saiyan.


You multiply all more damage modifiers. So RF and PA combine to a single 143% more modifier.
Brutus. Do you even sync?
Last edited by AnnanFay#3468 on May 9, 2013, 2:51:38 AM
If you're going to the max, you're modeling with level 23 RF boosted by Inner Force, so 124% more damage, so with PA goes up to 191% more damage.

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DestroTheGod wrote:


Fuck, serious? I'm reading 1k tooltip dps on my freezing pulse. Teach me how to get to 10 million, lol.


For the DPS before debuffs on the enemy, I got my numbers via my spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsDVCFqiXmZ0dGE1VFE2N0lUVWJDX08yeXFpNGVUR2c&usp=sharing

It's the 'maxtest' column. You can check my math there if you want. I'm fairly sure the passive and gear stats are either the most DPS or close to the most you can get.

So this results in 700k DPS before factoring debuffs (140k tooltp, then x5 from GMP). To quote myself from earlier:

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aimlessgun wrote:

And to put to put more analysis into the curses, Ele Weak + Frostbite + EE is around -150% res, so that's a 2.5 multiplier.

Then projectile weakness is a 1.34 multi on top of that, so up to 3.35

Then Crit Weakness, with the setup I'm modeling, is a somewhat ridiculous x2 multiplier.

So you're getting x6.7 multiplier from curses and EE


So 700k x 6.7 = 4.69 million. Then x2.2 from shock stacks gets you to 10.3 million :)

It's a completely impractical setup, and the gear to achieve it doesn't even exist in the game yet (and in the case of the wands and amulet, may not exist for years)
Last edited by aimlessgun#1443 on May 9, 2013, 5:20:35 AM
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Pastromy wrote:
Elemental Weakness gives -59% at level 20 with 20 quality.
Frostbite gives another -49% at level 20.
Elemental Equilibrium gives -50%.
Cold Penetration gives -35% at level 20.

If a mob has 0 base cold res, you would do 293% of your damage.

Righteous Fire gives 87% more spell damage at level 20.
Pain attunement gives 30% more as well, bringing you up to 107% more spell damage.

1000% critical strike multiplier is achievable. Let's also assume you have 350% spell damage from gear/passives/support gems.

A level 20 freezing pulse has 291 top end cold damage.

291*3.5(for spell damage)*2.93(for debuffs)*10(for crit)*2.07(for pain attunement/righteous fire)=79422 top end cold damage for a single projectile.

Let's assume it's supported by a level 20 GMP.

This would mean each projectile did 79422*.5*1.38=54801 damage.
54801*5=274005 damage per cast of freezing pulse.

This would mean that you would have to have a bit under four casts per second to deal 1M COLD damage with your Freezing Pulse. Now, if you have added lightning, you do even more, along with shock stacking the target. With 3 shock stacks, you'll do 120% more damage yet (meaning around 2.4M with 4 casts per second).


You have a small calculation error though. Cold penetration "penetrates" the monsters cold resist, so if they had 50% cold resist they take damage as if they had 15%. But seeing as you have an example with 0% cold resist, the cold penetration gem actually does nothing towards the creep, unless u have quality (which would be 10% cold damage at 20 qual)
Last edited by Lamaen#1769 on May 9, 2013, 6:11:55 AM
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Lamaen wrote:


You have a small calculation error though. Cold penetration "penetrates" the monsters cold resist, so if they had 50% cold resist they take damage as if they had 15%. But seeing as you have an example with 0% cold resist, the cold penetration gem actually does nothing towards the creep, unless u have quality (which would be 10% cold damage at 20 qual)


Hrm I thought penetration could give you -resist?

It's a moot point anyways, even if it does give -resist, if you're stacking curses it's a really terrible support that wouldn't be included in a max dps setup.
Last edited by aimlessgun#1443 on May 9, 2013, 6:17:19 AM

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