Rarity !! It's actually good for the game !! Change my mind !!!

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CyrusBlackXXX#1921 wrote:

so you think your build needs 45% resistances on all items 7x3x45% you need 945% resistances because to my calculation most build need 380% resistances if they don`t stack max ress and 440% resistances if they stack ress to 90? and every posible hibrid mode ... a build like stat stacker only has 3 rare items ... boots , and rings ... and all the suffixes are attributes on them rares ... that build still manages to get to 100+ rarity if a build with 3 rares can have rarity ... nobody else in the game has any excuse .. ... like ... I don`t know what to tell you but you are deffenetly doing something wrong ... because you only need half of the resistances that you keep taking slots for ... movement speed is a prefix ...arrmour is useless untill they fix it because monsters cand destroy your armour ...and well what`s the point ... you can go couple of points up and use ghost write (get some chaos resistance) and with couple of max es nodes close to you you can triple you EHP ... check out Kriparian ... he justy played 2 Wariors builds back to back on SSF with trash gear ...with the conversion armour trust me

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CyrusBlackXXX#1921 wrote:

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Xzorn#7046 wrote:

Gull Barbarian with Item Find skill from Diablo 2 says Magic Find is fine.

What a joke.

Magic Find and by extension any meta game stat on gear is trash design. You can pretend it has something to do with building your character or you can realize its among many other bad Diablo 2 mechanics that people keep coping because they want that same success.

Is it too subtle compared to all those WoW clones the industry tried to make?

Diablo 1 didn't have it and comically has the best itemization of any ARPG. You don't have to spam bosses. You don't have to ignore every chest and secret in the game. You just play, in any way you want within the right dungeon level range. What could be better?

ok so you think that in a game with an ecconomy balanced around trading with a 1 in 99999999999 milions of trilions chances to get a good item should not be about loot aquisition ?? should be about walking around in white items? preferably the ones you start with ? or ? what`s your view on this ? I don`t understand where you are comming from !! you know what d1 does not have? an end game :) you know what d1 had ? duping ... if I remember corectly .. everyone knew how to dupe back then don`t take my word ... this was literally written in a post by blizzard .... you want duping in POE 2 ? you don`t want Endgame ? you don`t want to become more and more efficeient ?

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Xzorn#7046 wrote:

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CyrusBlackXXX#1921 wrote:

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Xzorn#7046 wrote:

Gull Barbarian with Item Find skill from Diablo 2 says Magic Find is fine.

What a joke.

Magic Find and by extension any meta game stat on gear is trash design. You can pretend it has something to do with building your character or you can realize its among many other bad Diablo 2 mechanics that people keep coping because they want that same success.

Is it too subtle compared to all those WoW clones the industry tried to make?

Diablo 1 didn't have it and comically has the best itemization of any ARPG. You don't have to spam bosses. You don't have to ignore every chest and secret in the game. You just play, in any way you want within the right dungeon level range. What could be better?

ok so you think that in a game with an ecconomy balanced around trading with a 1 in 99999999999 milions of trilions chances to get a good item should not be about loot aquisition ?? should be about walking around in white items? preferably the ones you start with ? or ? what`s your view on this ? I don`t understand where you are comming from !! you know what d1 does not have? an end game :) you know what d1 had ? duping ... if I remember corectly .. everyone knew how to dupe back then don`t take my word ... this was literally written in a post by blizzard .... you want duping in POE 2 ? you don`t want Endgame ? you don`t want to become more and more efficeient ?

First. You have to understand the differences between the Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 itemization. Diablo 1 worked off Dungeon Level which influenced monster level. Chests were a -1-3 Dungeon level modifier. Bosses were a +3 or Diablo +4 modifier.

Each difficulty increased dungeon level by +10. Thus Hell/Hell was Dungeon level 33-36. The same modifiers still applied to bosses and chests. Thus opening a chest on level 36 was Dungeon level 33-35 while killing Diablo himself was 40.

Do you notice the difference? How itemization becomes more evenly spread. You did not need to just go to level 36 or just kill diablo and restart even though he had the highest monster level modifier. The number of rolls you got just starting in hell and fighting deeper worked.

Now we go to Diablo 2 where the boss modifiers are much higher and Magic Find was introduced. You already know the end result. Spam Mephisto, Baal or one Arreat tile with high rare pack density.

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Diablo 1 actually did have end-game activities. They were just more subtle and not something all players would have be interested in at the time. The most common was Shrine Hunting. Increasing Thinking Cap's 1 Durability till you feel good about not losing it. Maximizing Spells for characters who couldn't get the stats. Teleport for Warrior was a big one.

Maximizing character diversity was also a big one and took a lot of time. Most people think Diablo 1 and go Fighter = 1h + Shield. Rogue = Bow and Sorcerer = Spells. That wasn't the case.

All characters in Diablo 1 could use magic and reaching max level in certain skills made a huge difference for all of them. A fighter could use teleport attacks, and shoot just as fast as a rogue with the right bow. A rogue made a formidable melee character but they required Faster Block and Faster Attack on their Sword. Sorcerer had all magic at their disposal.

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Trading is a result of itemization. They're a 1 to 1 ratio. Thus based on luck and time. Magic Find has no impact on trade unless it's not being used. So if it didn't exist. It would also have no impact.

I used to mod for Diablo 1 which is why I know these weird details.

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Xzorn#7046 wrote:

Gull Barbarian with Item Find skill from Diablo 2 says Magic Find is fine.

What a joke.

Magic Find and by extension any meta game stat on gear is trash design. You can pretend it has something to do with building your character or you can realize its among many other bad Diablo 2 mechanics that people keep coping because they want that same success.

Is it too subtle compared to all those WoW clones the industry tried to make?

Diablo 1 didn't have it and comically has the best itemization of any ARPG. You don't have to spam bosses. You don't have to ignore every chest and secret in the game. You just play, in any way you want within the right dungeon level range. What could be better?

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Using Find Item on a corpse that has not already been affected by a corpse ability gives the monster a chance to drop loot again. Find Item is affected by Magic Find. When Find Item is used on a corpse, it gives an X% chance of doing a drop as if the monster had been killed again. The same treasure classes are used, but the chance of a successful drop is determined by the level of Find Item, not by the number of players in game. Using Find Item on Super Unique Monsters that have corpses, for example, gives a good chance of getting Rare, Set or Unique items again. Once Find Item has been performed, the corpse cannot be used for any other corpse abilities by anyone.

Find Item suffers from rapidly diminishing returns. It's more efficient to rely on skill bonuses from items and put actual skill points into Find Potion synergy, which is linear.

Find Item does not work on some monsters. It's good to use on the Council Members from Travincal or the third level of the Durance of Hate, as they can drop up to 4 Magical Items at once.

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DarkLordOdeo#6686 wrote:

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Xzorn#7046 wrote:

Gull Barbarian with Item Find skill from Diablo 2 says Magic Find is fine.

What a joke.

Magic Find and by extension any meta game stat on gear is trash design. You can pretend it has something to do with building your character or you can realize its among many other bad Diablo 2 mechanics that people keep coping because they want that same success.

Is it too subtle compared to all those WoW clones the industry tried to make?

Diablo 1 didn't have it and comically has the best itemization of any ARPG. You don't have to spam bosses. You don't have to ignore every chest and secret in the game. You just play, in any way you want within the right dungeon level range. What could be better?

funny you mentioned Item Find

That would be increasing quantity of drops...
And even then its not nearly as worth it as just blasting with blizz sorc since you have to kill the mob then use the skill.
Now if find item was idk a rune word skill then you'd have a point but its not, ironically PoE DOES let you scale quant
As for you diablo 1 comparison, I'm not famliar with the game, but I do know that D1 IS a dungeon crawler while d2 isnt, so its not applicable to compare the two simply because their different genres entirely