Waystone dropps are not available

As you can see in this screenshot i had a fully jiuced t14 map.
it was yellow with a lot of modifyer, including 289% waystone drop chance.

also affected by 3-4 towers which juiced the map even more.
it was additional monster level and also a boss map.

and even thought that i completed it i didnt got anything.
as you can see the boss dropped me only 3 items (i pressed the button for off lootfilter). 2 blue and one white item (gold i picked but it was only several hundred).

i heard something that bosses dropps 3-5 maps, i didnt got a single one, even with 289% mapdrop.

and in that whole map i got only one map which was t6, running t14.... so no sustaine.

even though that i have ALL atlas nodes which give waystone drop chance & higher tier of maps.

this seems to be a bug i guess. but this is my usuall experiance.

running t1-t6/7 was kind of okay. but since t8+ especially since t12+ i allmost never get a map drop and if then only t1-t6. thats awefull (playing SSF, so no chance of trading!)

Same issue, i hit t10 maps, got all the nodes on map skill tree for extra map drops and ive hit a wall where if im luck enough to get a map drop its like t3 or t5. The guy never ever sells any relevant maps and if i do get lucky and get a good map, i usually die to random off screen damage, or quick burts, or my personal favorite, the gun jam on my crossbow. Maps dont drop like they should, i watched the youtube video and juice my maps as well, but cant easily sustain myself with lower tier maps simply for the quest

While you should have gotten at least one map from the boss, that drop chance is still quite low. You want 300 BEFORE you go in the map. Depending on your atlas tree that waystone could have been under 100% waystone chance easily.

The ONLY juice that matters for waystone drop is waystone drop chance. Adding more monsters/rares gives you more spins, but it's the waystone drop chance that is important. Item quant doesn't matter, rarity doesn't matter, only waystone drop chance.

Share your atlas tree and maybe there's some tips we can give you.

This has been my exact experience as well. I'm puzzled why other people are drowning in maps and for some people almost nothing drops. Is this intentional thing by GGG to flag some characters/accounts drops to be different to gather different data, or what it is?

Can you share a snapshot of your atlas tree and boss tree?

I have a quad tab half full of t15 maps (which is close to 300?), and another one full of t12-14 maps.

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saturninecult#7044 wrote:

This has been my exact experience as well. I'm puzzled why other people are drowning in maps and for some people almost nothing drops. Is this intentional thing by GGG to flag some characters/accounts drops to be different to gather different data, or what it is?

No, but a lot of systems in end game are designed for you to have to work through. Sustain is one of those things.

There's two of us in this thread that are offering to help, first step would be sharing a screen shot of your atlas tree (and boss one too, if you have any points there yet).

Basics are, die less, more waystone drop chance, roll your maps.

Welcome to Variance.

It’s the nature of statistics, especially for low probability events where you get lots of chances. The variance in the results for a map are huge. I did a 300% map and got zero. The next map was 290% and I got twelve waystones - 2 tier up and one two tiers up. It’s the statistics.


GGG could add a simple mechanic to reduce all the complaints. When you complete the map, if no same-tier or higher waystones have dropped, always drop one same-tier - 100% chance. Then you can at least continue.

When i kill t15 map bosses they almost always drop 3 t15 maps. I havent ran a t14 map boss in a hot minute so idk abou t14s

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

While you should have gotten at least one map from the boss, that drop chance is still quite low. You want 300 BEFORE you go in the map. Depending on your atlas tree that waystone could have been under 100% waystone chance easily.

The ONLY juice that matters for waystone drop is waystone drop chance. Adding more monsters/rares gives you more spins, but it's the waystone drop chance that is important. Item quant doesn't matter, rarity doesn't matter, only waystone drop chance.

Share your atlas tree and maybe there's some tips we can give you.

this is my atlas tree:


i dont have more points yet cause im not able to get t15 maps.
and all rarly t14 i get was just "lucky". got them from fully juiced t13 running intimidate, corruption bosses with delirium. then i maybe got 1map.

yesterday i had another run with 440% waystone drop.

and i only got 2 maps in an t14 intimitate +delirium +corupt+boss map. and these two where t1 and t5 ;(


i have the feeling i get more waystones running these stupid ascendancy trials, to maybe someday get my last points, then running fully juiced maps (SSF)

but anyway thanks for helping.

I see you're a necromancer like me. While most people seem to think the lack of drops is tied to insufficient juicing of maps or low magic find, I can’t shake the feeling that something else might be at play here. Specifically, I’m wondering if there’s a bug causing minions to "steal" loot in some way.

I’d love to hear from other necromancers about their experiences. Are you seeing something similar? Or is this just RNG playing tricks on us? If it’s a shared issue, we might have enough data to confirm a pattern.