T8-15 maps are way easier than the forums let you think.

4 divines lol. i am at 87 have finished the t15 quest and yet i haven't seen a single divine. had two items that net me 2 divs but that's it. with 4 divines it would be easy for everyone if it was yesterday. unfortunately even the economy has exploded.

I have 4k or so hrs into poe so i am semi experienced player. Maps are not hard per say but access to currency and good upgrades is not there unless u are able to fit in a decent amount of rarity. I am still using a cross bow that i got around the end of campaign and to upgrade it alone i need at least 5divs. That is an issue.
Last edited by commonsensei#0217 on Dec 29, 2024, 10:33:39 AM
high tiers arent that hard but going from "im doing fine" to "i just randomly died in 2 seconds" happens a lot more later on.
endgame has a bullshit death problem that needs to change.

sometimes i die and go "yeah i could have done XYZ better there"
MOST of my deaths in T15 leave me feeling like i had ZERO chance period.
its not fun.
Last edited by JODYHiGHR0LLER#6171 on Dec 29, 2024, 10:41:56 AM
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CroDanZ#1818 wrote:
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mrxkon#5764 wrote:


It might just be my "luck" to be honest and that's ok.


I have strange luck aswell.

I tried to squeeze in some "item rarity" into my build and hoped for better drops in endgame.

But somehow my drops are waaay worse than without item rarity on my gear. XD

Ran 10 maps each....with 114 rarity I got 3 Exalts and a handfull rares, not 1 unique and only 1 T15 Waystones (All 10 map had also item rarity rolls).

10 maps without rarity (on gear and map): 2 Divines, 8 Exalts, a bunch of Uniques, way more Rares and 6 T15 waystones

Maybe it's RNG but it kinda feels very strange that I got way more stuff without item rarity on my gear than with.

Items drop behaviour feels rly weired atm.....or maybe 114 item rarity is a strange breakpoint, where it's neither fish nor steak.

But something seems to be buggy with the current item drops...went back to 0 item rarity on my gear, because with rarity drops felt so much worse. :D


I was running with 200+% rarity at some point ( just random gear that I found and scribbled it on tbh ).

But I wasn't finding anything fancy either at that point so I went ahead and adjusted my gear to simply be res capped etc so I can progress properly. The only rarity I have atm is from the atlas passives and that's it.

Now that being said, I'm starting to think and realize that all this 'rarity' and percentages and whatnot might only in all seriousness apply (or scale way higher to their respective thresholds) to the end-endgame, meaning running minimum t15 maps or pinnacle etc.

At the moment, even in t13, either I have full rarity or not, or Atlas passives or not so on so forth, doesn't seem to make any difference whatsoever to me, not even "some" but literally none, at least not for my character or my "rng".
Last edited by mrxkon#5764 on Dec 29, 2024, 11:06:24 AM
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CroDanZ#1818 wrote:
To find out if all the complains here are true that T8+ content is way to hard with melee, I made a melee character by myself to test it.

And sorry, but I can't relate in any way that it's "to hard".

From T8 up to T15 I died only once in around 60 maps with my melee Monk and this becasue I was greedy (Instead waiting for the on death effect to explode I tried to yolo pick up an item and died...the classic. ^^).

My gear is worth around 4 Divines total and my damage avarage (18k AOE and 31k single target)

I have 1k ES and 2k life, ele res capped, chaos res 23%....Only my evasion is prety good (11k).

But I understand where the complains come from....People probably want to zoom through the maps with gear worth 4-6 Div and ignore all monster abilities & on death effects.

I tried to zoom few times and always almost died...if you play tactical this will rarely happen even with budged gear.

For T13-15 I've also put in a midrange skill so I can deal with the handfull mob types/rare affixes that are very dangerous for pure melee builds....This solved prety much all problems and is possible with prety much every melee character (don't stick strictly 1:1 to youtube build guys, think outside the box).

Ofc if I invest more into my char (talking about 2-300 more Divines) I can probably zoom though content without dying but with 4 Divine gear it's expected that I can't do that.

But as the title say T8-15 maps are way easier than some complains here want you to think and probably even need some buffs....In my opinion esp. T15 maps should require way more investement than just 4 Divines to be achievable.

With 50-60 more Divine investment I'll start to juice T15 maps and update my experiance, but so far T15 maps are no real challange and just require avarage gear & skill gameplay vise (I play my character like in "Devil may Cry" with combos, using terain to my advantage and smart use of dodge rolls)

I know many people here want POE2 being trivialized to the ground and this thread will probably be flooded with insults but this is my humble oppinion and experiance as an avarage but long time ARPG player (around 30 years)....so try to stay friendly and polite pls, it's allowed to have different oppinions. ;)


Lol my mans talking about 18 k aoe dps and 31 k solo...dude


I finsihed reading when you said you leveled a Monk.

Go on , level a Warbringer .

In order to equip Expert Cultist Greathammer and have shield equipped,you need 650 strength. Without a shield you wont get that far.

Expert Cultist Greathammer vs lower tier ( Advanced Cultist Greathammer) is difference in literally 50% dps increase.

You either need to be level 95 OR to butcher your passive tree and remove every bit of damage , in order to stack up STR. And on top of that,you need to have MAX str on every piece of gear that can roll STR. That would be fine if you needed only STR. But you need LIFE , RESISTANCES and some magic find.

If you decide to play with T2 weapon instead of T3, your dps is going to be around 9k . And you wont be able to kill anything.

In order to get 18 k damage and 31 k aoe,i need to be level 95+ and i need to invest 20-50 divines.

These people playing twitch classes and builds are really delusional...They think every class and spec requires 3 divine in order to clear t17.


Last edited by Werdx_1#3669 on Dec 29, 2024, 11:45:09 AM
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4 divines lol. i am at 87 have finished the t15 quest and yet i haven't seen a single divine. had two items that net me 2 divs but that's it. with 4 divines it would be easy for everyone if it was yesterday. unfortunately even the economy has exploded.

I have 4k or so hrs into poe so i am semi experienced player. Maps are not hard per say but access to currency and good upgrades is not there unless u are able to fit in a decent amount of rarity. I am still using a cross bow that i got around the end of campaign and to upgrade it alone i need at least 5divs. That is an issue.


With my around 4k hours in POE1 I can give you the advice to not count on raw Divine drops....they're prety rare. :)

I f.e. even pick up white "Expert" bases on my way sometimes and Transmute/AUgment them (have always a full stack in my inventory).

Already sold some blue bases for a couple exalts and one even for 1 Div.

What I've heard selling full rare quad tabs is also a thing....20+Ex/Quad tab, but I need the gold for myself.

I also do some "profit craft" (or better said "profit gamble") here and there but hope you understand that I don't want to share all secrets here.

But mostly I simply play the game and enjoy it, without stressing myself with tactic xy. ;)
Last edited by CroDanZ#1818 on Dec 30, 2024, 3:59:32 AM
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Werdx_1#3669 wrote:

I finsihed reading when you said you leveled a Monk.

Go on , level a Warbringer .


Most of the people here complain that the "game is to hard" in general and are not related to a specific class.

Ye some say "melee" but Monk is also melee.

People are simply not willing to adapt theyr class to the challange and strictly copy + paste youtube builds from people who probably invested 100+ Divines into the build and complain why the build can't faceroll T15+ content with theyr 3 Divine gear.

And why the hell should I level a class that I don't enjoy?....I mean I will bcs my plan is to level all calsses but Warrior is never my cup of tea, no matter if it needs some work like in POE2 or being completely broken like in S4 in D4. ;)

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Werdx_1#3669 wrote:

You either need to be level 95 OR to butcher your passive tree and remove every bit of damage , in order to stack up STR. And on top of that,you need to have MAX str on every piece of gear that can roll STR. That would be fine if you needed only STR. But you need LIFE , RESISTANCES and some magic find.

If you decide to play with T2 weapon instead of T3, your dps is going to be around 9k . And you wont be able to kill anything.

In order to get 18 k damage and 31 k aoe,i need to be level 95+ and i need to invest 20-50 divines.



If the class is so horrible to play, play another till it's fixed (Armor f.e.)....POE2 is in early access and far away from bein polished, lol.

In this state of the game there will always be a class thats way weaker than all the others....the good thing in POE2 is noone forces you to stick to just 1 class.

Maybe with the next patchj warrior will be stronger than anyone else, so just keep it on the side for now.

I do the same with Witch/Necro....but not becasue the class is weak, it's because the gameplay loop is simply to boring for me personaly + the minion AI horrible. ;)
Last edited by CroDanZ#1818 on Dec 30, 2024, 4:14:55 AM
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CroDanZ#1818 wrote:
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Werdx_1#3669 wrote:

I finsihed reading when you said you leveled a Monk.

Go on , level a Warbringer .


Most of the people here complain that the "game is to hard" in general and are not related to a specific class.

Ye some say "melee" but Monk is also melee.

People are simply not willing to adapt theyr class to the challange and strictly copy + paste youtube builds from people who probably invested 100+ Divines into the build and complain why the build can't faceroll T15+ content with theyr 3 Divine gear.

And why the hell should I level a class that I don't enjoy?....I mean I will bcs my plan is to level all calsses but Warrior is never my cup of tea, no matter if it needs some work like in POE2 or being completely broken like in S4 in D4. ;)


World First 100 was a monk.. a melee monk.. he used punch skill..
"Why level a class I don't enjoy?"

Because you were testing something and then posting a thread about that topic? But instead you chose a great class that has "melee" and lumped in all melee.

Here's a shocker: Know why you don't enjoy Warrior? Take a guess.
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"Why level a class I don't enjoy?"

Because you were testing something and then posting a thread about that topic? But instead you chose a great class that has "melee" and lumped in all melee.

Here's a shocker: Know why you don't enjoy Warrior? Take a guess.


I don't know how often I have to repeat myself: Most complains in this forums are about the "game being to hard" in general....No matter the class.

Some say melee so I tried melee without bothering to much....sorry if I've picked "the wrong class" for testing, I don't follow any guides or tierlists before picking a class.

I just play what I enjoy the most first and Warrior is the last class I pick in ANY game.

No matter if it's the weakest or by far the strongest on someones tierlist....I don't rly care.

If this class is broken & underwhelming (I heard some Armor issues) it will be fixed for sure.....give the devs time to brathe man. ;)
Last edited by CroDanZ#1818 on Dec 30, 2024, 4:38:00 AM

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