Melee issues: River Hags and more

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

I want to help

Secure your own mask first before assisting others

but you can also insult everyone instead, mods are a OK with that it seems lol

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

If you had read my post with interest, instead of trolling with a git gud attitude, you would know that there was a group of blue hags and a rare one, so an orb spawned on top of me every <1 second, I don't even count the whirls that were covering the entire screen.

Obviously I had to change tactics because any melee attack that took more than 1 second was impossible, so I used ranged attacks that deal far lower damage and took me forever to kill them with their boosted HP and ES.

I'm not saying its not doable, its PoE you can literally respec your warrior into a minion sorceror.
The issue you are not seeing is that neutering your character, which represents your power fantasy, and playing it in an unnatural, distant way will diminish immersion.

With my mercenary I solved all stuff with rolls and long shots, and even if monsters one-shotted me it did not feel like I had to deprive my character of its core values, I just had to learn the game and play around it.
My witch pretty much bypassed all this with my minions clearing everthing in seconds.
But the melee guy, he needs to stop being melee... this is the issue.
Also, again, there are a lot of posts that say things similar to this, if a huge portion of the melee playerbase is vocal there is a reason.

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

If you had read my post with interest, instead of trolling with a git gud attitude, you would know that there was a group of blue hags and a rare one, so an orb spawned on top of me every <1 second, I don't even count the whirls that were covering the entire screen.

Obviously I had to change tactics because any melee attack that took more than 1 second was impossible, so I used ranged attacks that deal far lower damage and took me forever to kill them with their boosted HP and ES.

I'm not saying its not doable, its PoE you can literally respec your warrior into a minion sorceror.
The issue you are not seeing is that neutering your character, which represents your power fantasy, and playing it in an unnatural, distant way will diminish immersion.

With my mercenary I solved all stuff with rolls and long shots, and even if monsters one-shotted me it did not feel like I had to deprive my character of its core values, I just had to learn the game and play around it.
My witch pretty much bypassed all this with my minions clearing everthing in seconds.
But the melee guy, he needs to stop being melee... this is the issue.
Also, again, there are a lot of posts that say things similar to this, if a huge portion of the melee playerbase is vocal there is a reason.

You're oversimplifying my post.

Why dont I struggle with this as a warrior EQ/Rolling Slam then?

You think I never had a group of hags or rare one at all?

You need to learn to play around it. You list off interactions you had on other classes and like I said, there are things those classes are currently doing the devs clearly do not want people to be capable of in POE2 (screen clear, pace, safety...) so all those things are going to be addressed hopefully.

You dont have to play at range, you just need to understand the mechanic. The drowning orbs follow your character, you know the hags cast it. If you see a group of them, knowing one of them is a rare, then plan accordingly. Not run face first into them so they can all cast the orb and you have no counterplay.

You just need more practice at melee it sounds as you cannot play this way. And shouldn't beable to either, my whole point. Drowning orbs are there so you have to think first about playing recklessly.

Your last point about "lots of posts" doesn't mean anything here. There are lots of posts saying to remove the maven memory game. So what?

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

Sure, I'm in Act3, I definitely don't have enough experience with the warrior.

you literally can walk away, you have 3 seconds to do this. you knew this before you wrote your essay. and yet you are calling ppl 'trolls'...

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

Sure, I'm in Act3, I definitely don't have enough experience with the warrior.
But the same experience will happen to most of the perople that will reach Act3 with a melee and then quit due to frustration or actually "failure of their power fantasy" (I don't know how to put this in better wording).

Maybe you truly are a great player, but you cannot deny other people experiences because of it.
If you are 93 you at the very least played the game non stop since release, that's not the average experience.

Also, as I said, it's a mix of issues that creates frustration for the melees, not this specific one alone.

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

This whole post is about quest Hags and drowning orbs? Act III?



Okay. Im sorry but now its just... yea ill refrain from the answer this post would deserve.

Good luck

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

Sure, I'm in Act3, I definitely don't have enough experience with the warrior.
But the same experience will happen to most of the perople that will reach Act3 with a melee and then quit due to frustration or actually "failure of their power fantasy" (I don't know how to put this in better wording).

Maybe you truly are a great player, but you cannot deny other people experiences because of it.
If you are 93 you at the very least played the game non stop since release, that's not the average experience.

Also, as I said, it's a mix of issues that creates frustration for the melees, not this specific one alone.

This whole post is about quest Hags and drowning orbs? Act III?



Okay. Im sorry but now its just... yea ill refrain from the answer this post would deserve.

Good luck

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

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Macellomatik#7988 wrote:

I'm all for insta-kill mechanics in games where they make sense, but PoE is not that kind of game.

For those who don't know, the water sphere of the River Hags has a 3 second timer that ista kills you if you keep being inside one.

Now... I did not even notice this mechanic with my mercenary and witch because they are not melee and bypass 99% of the mechanics in the game (with the witch I also bypassed 90% of the bosses attacks by burning them in less than 20 seconds due to the damage being OP).

Honestly after 30 years of ARPGs I cant fathom why almost all (if not all) the enemy mechanics in these games are always built around denying melee attacks while they offer nothing against ranged.
On top of that melees are also waaaaaay slower in their actions, just because.

I was literally unable to land a hit on a pack of blue hags + a rare hag.
The fight was longer than an act boss and not in a fun way.

Basically you have to stand still for 1-2 seconds to land an attack and that becomes 2-4 seconds due to the sphere, but in 3 you die, so the only way to land an attack is to die with it.

My huge warrior can tank all the one-shotters from big bad bosses, but he can only survive 3 (yes, three) seconds in the sphere (maybe make this 10 ? make it 1 second per 250 hp ?) the spheres also slow you down immensely.
FUN FACT: the hag also has another instant permanent slowing AoE, so maybe make that the slowing one and let the sphere JUST kill you, so that you can kite it around with a melee?

This is not the only mechanic that breaks melee: there's fleeing monsters, pushing monsters (no, not the charging ones that are ok, I'm talking about the Faridun Butchers that push you left to right with their swings for example), on top of all the ground effects, on death effects, HONOR, swings failing to connect with enemy colliders (yes, Perfect Strike, I'm talking to you) etc...

You want to keep all this stuff to challenge at least a tiny bit the ranged characters? Ok. But give melees a way to counter this stuff.
The 35% reduced honor damage honestly does not work at all when you are getting hit infinite% more than other classes (I love the trials with my xbow mercenary, in most rooms I simply DO NOT GET HIT, but with my melee I will absolutely never play it again)

Give us ways to counter this stuff that mostly affects melees, some examples:

- passive: cannot be pushed except by charges or huge mobs
- new stat "resilience" decreases all problematic damage / mechanics like the hag sphere time, the ground damage, on death explosions, honor damage. This is a special, separate layer that is applied before or after the current system, and this stat is 90% in the warrior side of the tree.
- aura: enemies in your presence that flee from you are heavily slowed

and so on...