Witch Ascendancies Suck!

And you're probably a player who only follows a build guide and has never made a character for him self.

I don't care what you have to say. I'm just here to rant about how much the Ascendancies for the witch suck. You'll never be able to convince me otherwise but you can talk about it amongst your selves.

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KingDaMuncha#6025 wrote:

And you're probably a player who only follows a build guide and has never made a character for him self.

I don't care what you have to say. I'm just here to rant about how much the Ascendancies for the witch suck. You'll never be able to convince me otherwise but you can talk about it amongst your selves.

dude....what in the world is wrong with you?

1) You do realize that the WITCH in PoE 2 is NOT THE SAME as the witch in PoE 1 right? The class you want is sorceror. It exists. Its right there. It has everything you want.

2) Using a completely incorrect ascendancy for the build, complaining about the ascendancy, while ALSO not understanding how it actually CAN help you? smh, that is next levels of ignorance.

3) Attacking and denigrating everyone else in the thread pointing out not only how badly you screwed up, but even how to FIX it while maintaining the same ascendancy? Are you 12 years old?


You made countless mistakes and now you want to blame the game instead of yourself. People try to help and now you also blame them for "not understanding". Wow. just....wow.

"I want to play as an elemental bow build that stacks evasion, so I chose Titan and all the slam points, as well as the armor nodes. Titan sucks!!!!!!!! It doesn't buff ANY bow skills!"

The ascendancies still suck.

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KingDaMuncha#6025 wrote:

Witch is supposed to be about curses and magic. Not killing your self.

You are even wrong on the what the witch is "supposed" to be. It seems very approrpiate that an infernalist, which is clearly centered around demonic powers and summoning demons, is constantly hurting itself because of the demonic pacts.

Witches in general, in movies and in books and in any other literature, are pretty well known for "blood magic" or other types of magic that are generally double edged swords. It's actually one of the most common witch tropes: the witch ends up killing or severely injuring his or herself using the wrong magic.

I think they are an actual child at this rate

The leaderboard might say otherwise. Infernalist is one of the top played on the leaderboard. Blood mage, however...bottom feeder.

Havent played infernalist so cant comment.

But I can confirm that Blood mage deffinetly needs some love. Not only is it the weakest ascendancy but just the way its setup completetly limits any build variety

Depends what you mean by them 'sucking'.

Infernalist is the worst in terms of not fulfilling it's intended class design options. It has the most dead nodes. In terms of power. Most are playing minions and riding ES which is quite strong.

- Demon Form has amazing mobility but is bad in every other way.
- Ignite as a source of damage isn't a thing.
- Fire spells in general are incredibly weak.
- Total number of dead nodes 6 out of 8.

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Andrius319#4787 wrote:

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hqDM#6633 wrote:

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The ascendancy pairs so easily with Pain Attunement & CoF too.
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I dont think it is that easy thou to pair with pain attunement. Picking that node means low life and self igniting, and self igniting means interrupted es recharge. Alternatively doing just low life without es is kinda weak unless doing with mind over matter, but then you cant use pyromantic pact.

You could probably pull it off with ignite effect or duration reductions, but that isnt really entry level stuff.

edit: im about grinning immolation

I don't run pyro pact; I'm just neutral on it's value, as opposed to negative about it. As you said, MoM or LL/ES.

For LL/ES, I'm running coward's legacy & eternal youth (just 1 25% reserve).
CoF has reduced ignite duration built-in; rare chests up to 60%.
Don't think there's other sources, apart from a ranger notable for 10% (shedding skin, generic). Mapping with Grim Feast would be non-issue. Issue becomes boss sustain. Can get minor sustain from GF (soul offering). Given 6k ehp and 90% fire res, that's only 90 ignite dmg/sec for ~2s per crit w/ CoF.

For more niche options:

You might run Zealots Oath + phoenix shield & crank enough regen that it's sufficient to outpace. I'd rather just pot it up tho.
I havent tried Oath + EY, not sure if Oath would apply first (preventing life recharge) or not. I suspect it wouldn't work, but I'm not certain.

If not using EY and Coward's, there's also Shav's belt. This would require 75% reserve; it gives equal ES as life from your potion, w/o swapping ES/Life recharge - the only upside of doing this is if you can't sustain the 15% ignite on crit (e.g. due to being ssf), since you won't have enough ascendancy points to take that node in addition to 3 reservations. It's probably better to figure out some sort of leech/lifetap setup, maybe even with Covenant, but Covenant as a chest over Ghostwrithe or CoF is just poor value.

w/ my build, I'll just swap in ctrl'd destruction on my applicator, only critting with the payoff skill (guaranteed). I don't think this would be feasible for spell builds that use fast-hitting multi-proj skills, or multiple spells.

There's the option of Ghost Dance with high evasion too, if you can figure out how to trigger it.

To be fair to anyone saying they're a class/class build, like a witch monk, it's a little disconcerting that people keep calling builds that revolve around a certain weapon as being a class build. Quarterstaff is clearly designed for monk, of course, but it doesn't mean that quarterstaff builds are monk builds. I have a quarterstaff using stormweaver and it's extremely powerful. I've even thought about making a melee infernalist, which would be quarterstaff, because they can get really good crit stuff, and maces aren't as suited for crit builds as quarterstaves are.

If they eventually add any kind of synergy with self-ignite, then infernalist will become a very obvious frontrunner in all of those builds, because all they have to do to ignite themselves is get a crit, and it won't matter what weapon or ability type they use.