The REAL disservice to all PoE players.

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Redthorne82#3177 wrote:

Fucking WASD/Controller support RUINS standard point and click ARPG play.

Everything auto-targets. My monk can't hit his bell IF MY CURSOR IS DIRECTLY ON IT. You should SEE Ice Strike. It looks like FLICKER. Even on large bosses it'll teleport to all different sides of them...I realize that 99% of my problems come from this. When my character goes wherever he feels like, I can't even ATTACK if there's degen or on death effects on the screen for fear the game will just warp me wherever it wants.

Point and click has been an ARPG staple since literally Diablo 1. You want to make the game more accessible for more people? Great! Don't fuck up the OG controls to do it.

They should have waited until January to do this EA at the earliest, because more and more and more people are going to see the cracks over the next two weeks. They deserve their Christmas/holidays, but they didn't have to give us coal in the process.

Edit: From what I've seen, controller has some major issues, UI is terrible with it, and keyboard/controller combined support is "coming". Like...it's a beautiful game, with amazing story, and cool moments. BUT...at the time, Super Mario Bros was all those things, but if you made me stick the controller up my ass and press buttons with my colon, it'd be a pretty awful experience.

WASD is so much better than point and click - its not even funny.

The additional control and accuracy is great. You can now also aim while moving and dodging - its great.

The only thing i agree on is that auto targeting needs to be way more customizable - best would be for each skill. There are some things i like auto-target and some were its annoying and i want to aim freely etc.

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I disagree, I love WASD and I played poe 1 for 5k hours. It is clunky because of the auto aim but it give more control over your character, like WAY more control. I'll never go back.

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Dude, you're allowed to have shittaste. Just don't pretend it is better because "you feel like it". When I gave you technical explaination why it is way more limited in isometric game.

You're trying to arg that 2D have more dimensions than 3D.

WASD is literally OBEJCTIVELY better. There is no argument. I can move and aim and cast at the same time while you cannot. You have no advantage. If there was pvp you would lose every fight. Half the times you die to a boss it's because you have gimped yourself with archaic controls but you don't even realize it.

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Redthorne82#3177 wrote:

My monk can't hit his bell IF MY CURSOR IS DIRECTLY ON IT.

My Monk hits his bell easily when I have my Ice Strike bound as "attack in place".

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justgivemeafuckingaccou#1081 wrote:

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I disagree, I love WASD and I played poe 1 for 5k hours. It is clunky because of the auto aim but it give more control over your character, like WAY more control. I'll never go back.

Dude, you're allowed to have shittaste. Just don't pretend it is better because "you feel like it". When I gave you technical explaination why it is way more limited in isometric game.

You're trying to arg that 2D have more dimensions than 3D.

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WASD is literally OBEJCTIVELY better. There is no argument. I can move and aim and cast at the same time while you cannot. You have no advantage. If there was pvp you would lose every fight. Half the times you die to a boss it's because you have gimped yourself with archaic controls but you don't even realize it.

I can do that with point and click in any aRPG, even poe2, it is just clunky in poe2. Maybe you're not made to use mnk and controllers are better suited for you.
I can also arg that on almost every aRPG sinse d1 I have seen countless posts of disable people being thankful to have a game to play because aRPG can be play with 1 hand.

I guess PoE2 and it "superior" controls are a nice fku to them.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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Redthorne82#3177 wrote:

My monk can't hit his bell IF MY CURSOR IS DIRECTLY ON IT.

My Monk hits his bell easily when I have my Ice Strike bound as "attack in place".

most of the skill don't allow attack in place and toggles off. You'll have to actively use attack in place shortcut and even then it doesn't act like in poe1.

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epiphase#4568 wrote:

most of the skill don't allow attack in place

Really? Haven't come over a single one yet that I wanted to toggle on as attack in place. I'm sure you're right, though.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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epiphase#4568 wrote:

most of the skill don't allow attack in place

Really? Haven't come over a single one yet that I wanted to toggle on as attack in place. I'm sure you're right, though.

On top of my head it was the case on most of the Xbow skills and it drove me crazy lol.

Also, overall, monk is probably the most "polish" class yet.

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epiphase#4568 wrote:

I can do that with point and click in any aRPG, even poe2, it is just clunky in poe2. Maybe you're not made to use mnk and controllers are better suited for you.
I can also arg that on almost every aRPG sinde d1 I have seen countless posts of disable people being thankful to have a game to play because aRPG can be play with 1 hand.

I guess PoE2 and it "superior" controls are a nice fku to them.

Yes you can also play a FPS game with your touchpad - even at its best its way worse than WASD.

A games main target audience isnt disabled people and i dont even get your point since you still have both control options in this game. I am all for adding accessibility options - but they should never interfere with the game itself - just add ways for more ppl to play.

Also if you are disabled in a way that lets you only use one hand there are probably way better games to play. I would guess that having so many abilities etc. extra on the mouse must be pretty annoying.

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_N0ctus_#6387 wrote:

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epiphase#4568 wrote:

I can do that with point and click in any aRPG, even poe2, it is just clunky in poe2. Maybe you're not made to use mnk and controllers are better suited for you.
I can also arg that on almost every aRPG sinde d1 I have seen countless posts of disable people being thankful to have a game to play because aRPG can be play with 1 hand.

I guess PoE2 and it "superior" controls are a nice fku to them.

Yes you can also play a FPS game with your touchpad - even at its best its way worse than WASD.

A games main target audience isnt disabled people and i dont even get your point since you still have both control options in this game. I am all for adding accessibility options - but they should never interfere with the game itself - just add ways for more ppl to play.

Well read? The point was WASD is universaly worse than point and click for aRPG. And mainly that in POE2 the game is designed around that crap control with a layer of autoaim. Laying remnents and impacting the 3 types of controls. WASD, point and click and controller.

You also just prove my point, yes in fps we don't use pad, we use WASD because in FPS as I said you control the FOV with the mouse, it isn't the case in aRPG.
With WASD in poe2 you can only go 8 directions and it need 2 active input for a diagonal strafe. So in FPS and TPS WASD is superior, in aRPG Mnk point and click is. WASD was, is and will always be utter shit. In an RPG, FPS or TPS you use the WASD to control the character with 1 input. Most of the players will hold forward or backward and control direction with mouse POV. In game like WoW you can strafe with 1 input with no impact. Most players will do as I said, most pvper don't even do that. They control character movement entirely with the mouse and keep their left hands for shortcuts exclusively. Telling me you're more free when you have to actively keep two input constantly press for a diagonal strafe is borderline hilarious. All of you have to say is "meeeeh me like it". No wonder why most of you hate poe1. Anyway, good for you enjoy poe2 and WASD, just don't pretend it is superior on the sore base that is make you feel good lol.
I don't speak in the name of disable people, I just point a fact I have noticed over the years. Don't pretend poe2 have a lot of input either, it is still a 2 button game, your damaging ability and your dodgeroll. They just fkd everything with their trash controles designed for autoaim controller in an aRPG lmfao. So I'm good, you go tell them dirty disables to find another game to play.

also auto aim makes no sense in it priorities.
Detonate dead should prioritize corpses with living mobs nearby, minion skills should focus the rare mob and so on...