Please Add a Market Without Player Interaction!

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JODYHiGHR0LLER#6171 wrote:

someone doesnt understand how search engines work.

Maybe you have child control on...

I think I'm in favour of an auction house at this point. I fully agreed with GGG's stance originally, but as bots are becoming more sophisticated, it is an inevitability for trade to be fully botted anyway. There already are tons of trade bots, and the numbers will only ever increase. I think they need to focus their efforts on bot detection.

By not having a buy-out, it just hurts real players that want to trade and not spend all their time scrolling through a webpage spam whispering people. Not to mention a buy-out would inherently increase the value of goods, since players couldn't just dump all their items in a tab and slap a price on them anymore. Items would actually have to be priced manually (or by a bot) but with a system to combat the botters this would be a great thing for the game.

no.

Lots of Interesting Perspectives...

Unfortunately, it seems like many players are struggling with these “big players” trying to control item prices and manipulate the market.

Making trade a one-click system could have downsides, like making it easier for trade bots, so it’s clear that GGG has a massive vulnerability in this system that needs serious review and improvement. They should work on making botting impossible, perhaps by implementing stricter detection measures, such as banning any accounts linked to the same machine address or something along those lines.

It would be amazing if they could implement a trade tool where, with one click, you could buy what’s available at the listed price. I really hope something like this is created as soon as possible!

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Konried#2763 wrote:

It's completely botted already. Any 'meta' affix is camped by a legion of bots.

IE: 2% mana on kill, on jewels.

The trading system is quite scuffed. However the feedback you get from people mass messaging you is useful to determine value of something if its underlisted.

Fully automated trading would mean that bots just snipe underpriced items as soon as they are listed, then relist them for more.

I don't know what the answer is, but full automation is not it.

Right now I am GRATEFUL is the other trader is a bot. Why? Because they react at once, no waitung, no fuss. With real player traders I have to wait, hope they react, get an invite 10 Minutes after sending the request and so forth.

I am all for automation and a decent trade platform sparing us the interaction. Maybe one could limit the amount of items one player can buy per day? Or sell per day?

I will never play trade unless there's a proper auction house to trade with.

Quite happy to stay SSF though so w/e.

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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Konried#2763 wrote:

It's completely botted already. Any 'meta' affix is camped by a legion of bots.

IE: 2% mana on kill, on jewels.

The trading system is quite scuffed. However the feedback you get from people mass messaging you is useful to determine value of something if its underlisted.

Fully automated trading would mean that bots just snipe underpriced items as soon as they are listed, then relist them for more.

I don't know what the answer is, but full automation is not it.

Your logic is flawed and somewhat limited.

The bots snipe underpriced items currently. And they do this automatically.

The benefit of the AH is, that you are able to check the BO prices of items. And list your items correctly.

Combine this with warning messages, when the price deviation is too great.
"The BO price of this item is X, are you sure you want to list it for Y?"

And we have something going on against bots.

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I want to ask you something.

If say, you want to start tomorrow with botting.
And consider what you have to do to start botting.

1. What harm will this cause to GGG.
2. What benefit will this be for GGG.

The first thing that comes to your mind.
The biggest harm, and the biggest benefit to them.

Bots do not do anything a human would not.. they just do faster. So nothign wrogn with bots sniping underpriced stuff.

EVe online fully automated market with buy and sell orders exist for 20 years and is great..

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acbx#4314 wrote:

There are countless massive teams trying to control the market with fake accounts, and it even looks like there are bots involved!

Create a system where, once an item is listed for sale at a specific price, you can simply buy it with one click, and it goes straight into your inventory! There’s absolutely no need to send a whisper, invite to a party, trade, check the item’s properties, and then finalize. That’s if the seller even responds to the whisper—in most cases, I’ve sent over 100 whispers to buy items (this took hours) and was completely ignored because they’re bots trying to manipulate item prices!

If you implement a mechanic where purchases happen with just one click, all these manipulative players and bots will disappear!

+1

You have to update yourself. More than 10 years since this type of subject has been written, and GGG has already written manifestos on this subject and repeated many times that it will not happen.

Personally I like interacting with other players, visiting their hideout, and I think that an automated system outside of currency will be bad and much more easily abused, as is the case in all games that already use such systems.

This won't happen for many good reasons.

Also an auction house style automated market won't help you check the prices of rare items anymore than the already existing market.

Just wait for AwakenedTrade to release a new Poe2 version for rough pseudo automated price checking.