TRADE is such a detriment to POE 2 being fun

Reading many of OP's responses, it doesn't sound like he just doesn't like trading: he doesn't like that OTHER people can trade or may enjoy trading.

That's simply childish and unacceptable imo. If you want to advocate for buffs in SFF to make up for no trade that's one thing, but just wanting no one to trade because you don't like to trade is sad.

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Cosmic711#3173 wrote:

Once you get a taste of power through a trade, it's hard not to keep going. It feels like you're nerfing yourself by crafting your own gear, and if the only "solution" is to be playing a mode which is severely unpopular then I have to say it's a game design flaw at that point.

100% this. Trading is like a drug, you get the easy spike of power in your arm and you start thinking, "Oh I can just trade for better items, and trade and trade"

It's the "Make easy" button, not just for the players, but for the designers too. It converts everything you found randomly that's interesting, and converts it at a slight exchange rate into raw, predictable power.

It's it's such a shame, because it sucks all the magic of playing the game which is so satisfying on its own. It kills what makes this game actually fun which is finding your own loot!

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

The fact is those who participate in trade will acquire items faster, they will trade for more currency items that they need.

Them acquiring items faster than you DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. You aren't fighting THEM.

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

Players trading and interacting in mass amounts of loot manipulation is absolutely going to affect the path to power for players who don't like these extensive gambling and chance mechanics.

Again, Players that do not like those "extensive gambling and chance mechanics" of crafting can choose to trade. Or not. You are the master of your own limitations and restrictions. Pick up all the gear, pick up none of the gear, pick up all the crafting orbs and gold, or none of it.

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

But that doesn't change the fact that to a huge swathe of the player base, they just don't like these mechanics. They would be happier if they didn't have to deal with them and the game was tuned in other ways to allow for power progression without so much of a slot machine feel. Or having to open external websites for trade.

"To a huge swathe of the player base". What's "huge"? Where are you getting this data from?

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

A lot of us just want to kill monsters and get great loot. We still enjoy itemization, we still enjoy creating builds. But we don't like the linear path to power and the exact builds that results from mass trade with hundreds of thousands of other players. It just kills the whole experience of random loot.

Nothing and no one is preventing you from "just killing monsters and getting great loot." Again. My Trade Doesn't Affect Your Game. You and I will never play together (because I typically only play solo).

At the end of the day your complaints revolve around an ENTIRELY OPTIONAL MECHANIC. You don't have to trade, at all.
You can CHOOSE to ONLY get gear from the ground or vendors. That's entirely your call, dude..
But, No, Trade is NOT a Detriment to PoE2 being fun. It's ENTIRELY optional and you DO NOT have to engage with it at all.

imagine crying about a system thats been the way it is for years and years the only people who complain about this are people who dont even play poe, so either get used to it play SSF or leave the game.

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Pancaketastic#1713 wrote:

Them acquiring items faster than you DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. You aren't fighting THEM.

We are in essence fighting their power level, because the game will be balanced around those who engage in trading, whether other players like it or not.

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Pancaketastic#1713 wrote:

Again, Players that do not like those "extensive gambling and chance mechanics" of crafting can choose to trade. Or not. You are the master of your own limitations and restrictions. Pick up all the gear, pick up none of the gear, pick up all the crafting orbs and gold, or none of it.

But we're not. If we don't like these mechanics we will be gimped.

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Pancaketastic#1713 wrote:

"To a huge swathe of the player base". What's "huge"? Where are you getting this data from?

People don't like trade mechanics, players see them as pay to win and rightly so. Any game that greatly indulges in trade, detracts from the core gameplay loop. Diablo 3 was roundly lambasted for the negative affect its auction house had on the game by hundreds of thousands of people.

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Pancaketastic#1713 wrote:

At the end of the day your complaints revolve around an ENTIRELY OPTIONAL MECHANIC. You don't have to trade, at all.
You can CHOOSE to ONLY get gear from the ground or vendors. That's entirely your call, dude..
But, No, Trade is NOT a Detriment to PoE2 being fun. It's ENTIRELY optional and you DO NOT have to engage with it at all.

I don't enjoy these mechanics, but don't enjoy playing a gimped, underpowered character more so. So I WILL engage with trade, I will progress in power, and I will do so while gritting my teeth wishing the game would simply let me fight and get cool random loot I could make interesting builds around. Instead I will sacrifice all the cool theory crafting to make cookie cutter builds centered around cost effective items at my disposal.

I'll play devils advocate really quick. I realize trade is a huge path of revenue for this game, so it may simply be a necessary evil, but it doesn't change the fact that for me, and for many others who don't even realize it, it impacts the fun they would have otherwise had if it didn't exist.

You're welcome to reread the thread if you want to know what those are as I don't want to spam and repeat myself.

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Victini#7730 wrote:

imagine crying about a system thats been the way it is for years and years the only people who complain about this are people who dont even play poe, so either get used to it play SSF or leave the game.

You're right I don't play POE, I'm playing POE 2 because it hasn't been ravaged by trade elements yet.

Also I enjoyed POE for a good bit back in the day, but trade and other restrictive skill mechanics that they remedied in POE 2 pushed me away.

Oh quick aside. I would ABSOLUTELY pay 50 bucks to be able to play this game with enhanced item find and no trade option.

I want that game, and I am willing to pay for it.

And then you get the people saying "just ignore it*" like that's a solution to trade infecting their design decisions on every level

*play SSF

They should just add insta buyout when you offer the asked price,
But yeah I know the manifesto says despite the game being balanced around trade you must hate every second of it ^^

I genuinely don't even know how to respond to you. You don't like trade, but you ENGAGE IN IT ANYWAY. There is literally zero point to continue this discussion...

If you don't like trading. DON'T ENGAGE WITH IT.
It's like not liking heroine, BUT SHOOTING UP ANYWAY.

But, unfortunately, trading is a core mechanic to this game and is never, ever, going away. You can either come to terms with this, or you can choose to leave.. Again.

IT'S ALL YOUR CHOICE.

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

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Gimatria#7361 wrote:

Trading is an integral part of PoE

And this is the problem for a great many people.

Nothing beats the thrill of getting a loot drop that you're going to use that you found yourself. These are the power spike moments, these are the moments that we radically change our builds with glee. People resort to trade because they HAVE TO to keep up the pace of other players. It kills the magic, it destroys the randomization that fuels the fun.

It is inherently unfun and steals away from the thrill of the core game that everyone comes for to be able to pick and choose loot with exacting stats.

Once you are able to convert currency into items through trade. All the gameplay disappears, and power growth becomes a stale, planned linear progression built around cookie cutter builds.

It destroys the fun.

"Nothing beats the thrill of getting a loot drop that you're going to use that you found yourself."

So use it, if you want, and when you're done with it, sell it on trade? You have very weird and shitty takes. You are not helping with feedback. You're just a negative SOB. Go play another game if you don't like POE2.