Balance (Energy shield Too strong!)

What sort of mentality do you guys have? Instead of posting that you think life is underwelming and should be buffed to be equal with energyshield your first idea is to make energyshield to be nerfed and should be underwelming too?

GGG should start buffing life to be equal with energyshield. Than we can take a look if there are both ok or should be finetuned. This will prevent another CF massaker for those who build their char on the current skill tree.

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

What sort of mentality do you guys have? Instead of posting that you think life is underwelming and should be buffed to be equal with energyshield your first idea is to make energyshield to be nerfed and should be underwelming too?

GGG should start buffing life to be equal with energyshield. Than we can take a look if there are both ok or should be finetuned. This will prevent another CF massaker for those who build their char on the current skill tree.

your mentality is the wrong one.. because you are unable to be fair objective or realistic/honest simply because you want to continue abuse a situation !


yes life should be buffed because yes life is underwhelming and i think they should add % life to the items in additional to the flat life based on the tier and roll..

but on top of that i dont think life should be buffed to the current level of ES because that Level is not ok ! and on top of that i think energy shield should be nerfed. ! yes its just too strong and its not ok .. life should be buffed ES should be nerfed and the two of them should meet somewhere half way

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NoyAvargel#6918 wrote:

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

What sort of mentality do you guys have? Instead of posting that you think life is underwelming and should be buffed to be equal with energyshield your first idea is to make energyshield to be nerfed and should be underwelming too?

GGG should start buffing life to be equal with energyshield. Than we can take a look if there are both ok or should be finetuned. This will prevent another CF massaker for those who build their char on the current skill tree.

your mentality is the wrong one.. because you are unable to be fair objective or realistic/honest simply because you want to continue abuse a situation !


yes life should be buffed because yes life is underwhelming and i think they should add % life to the items in additional to the flat life based on the tier and roll..

but on top of that i dont think life should be buffed to the current level of ES because that Level is not ok ! and on top of that i think energy shield should be nerfed. ! yes its just too strong and its not ok .. life should be buffed ES should be nerfed and the two of them should meet somewhere half way

I think ggg decided that ES is ok how it is, otherwise they wouldnt have designed it this way. Who do you think you are that you are the "final" instance of deciding what is overpowerd or not?

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

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NoyAvargel#6918 wrote:

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

What sort of mentality do you guys have? Instead of posting that you think life is underwelming and should be buffed to be equal with energyshield your first idea is to make energyshield to be nerfed and should be underwelming too?

GGG should start buffing life to be equal with energyshield. Than we can take a look if there are both ok or should be finetuned. This will prevent another CF massaker for those who build their char on the current skill tree.

your mentality is the wrong one.. because you are unable to be fair objective or realistic/honest simply because you want to continue abuse a situation !


yes life should be buffed because yes life is underwhelming and i think they should add % life to the items in additional to the flat life based on the tier and roll..

but on top of that i dont think life should be buffed to the current level of ES because that Level is not ok ! and on top of that i think energy shield should be nerfed. ! yes its just too strong and its not ok .. life should be buffed ES should be nerfed and the two of them should meet somewhere half way

I think ggg decided that ES is ok how it is, otherwise they wouldnt have designed it this way. Who do you think you are that you are the "final" instance of deciding what is overpowerd or not?

then im here telling GGG that its not ok.. and if they want me to play their game they gonna have to change it .. other wise i have no interest in poe 2 . free world im free to give feedback and my take of the game and stuff that i think makes the game bad ! very simple.

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

I think ggg decided that ES is ok how it is, otherwise they wouldnt have designed it this way. Who do you think you are that you are the "final" instance of deciding what is overpowerd or not?

GGG designed the slam that one-shots bosses. (They nerfed it)

GGG designed the magnetic volley that one-shots bosses. (They nerfed it)

Not that this is the only unbalanced crap...
We had gas grenades, cast on "x", SRS loop, etc.

Are you sure you are "thinking", that is, applying reason, recognizing patterns, etc... and not just "hoping" they will not nerf ES.

Not trying to flame you or anything, just to see the things as they are.

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

I think ggg decided that ES is ok how it is, otherwise they wouldnt have designed it this way. Who do you think you are that you are the "final" instance of deciding what is overpowerd or not?

GGG designed the slam that one-shots bosses. (They nerfed it)

GGG designed the magnetic volley that one-shots bosses. (They nerfed it)

Not that this is the only unbalanced crap...
We had gas grenades, cast on "x", SRS loop, etc.

Are you sure you are "thinking", that is, applying reason, recognizing patterns, etc... and not just "hoping" they will not nerf ES.

Not trying to flame you or anything, just to see the things as they are.

love you!

100% right on spot. idk why people defend it or why people think its ok that life builds struggle to go above 2k HP most people start maps at 1.5k life while ES with 0 investment is easily and comfortably at 6-7 ES and with investment is at 20k ES ... it takes the fun out of the game.. the game currently is already strict with builds due to balance issues and this just makes everything that is life based not worth making or starting

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NoyAvargel#6918 wrote:

when at the same time you say 2k life is not weak.. . how does the two come together? ES is clearly just about 10 times stronger than life..

2K life is barely a baseline for endgame. A somewhat tanky life build will make it to over 4K without turning everything into +life.
Not to mention that effective HP of a tanky life build stacks multiplicative with regen (and multiplicative with damage via LL). Unlike ES which has very limited sources of regeneration outside of normal regen after delay.

However, after I looked at the tree, I do find it suspicious that +% ES nodes are SO DAMN BIG even compared to +% armor (and armor is strictly worse all by itself if compared to ES).

No wonder one can grab 20K ES there.

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just_dont#6539 wrote:

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NoyAvargel#6918 wrote:

when at the same time you say 2k life is not weak.. . how does the two come together? ES is clearly just about 10 times stronger than life..

2K life is barely a baseline for endgame. A somewhat tanky life build will make it to over 4K without turning everything into +life.

However, after I looked at the tree, I do find it suspicious that +% ES nodes are SO DAMN BIG even compared to +% armor (and armor is strictly worse all by itself if compared to ES).

No wonder one can grab 20K ES there.

it was a replay to him... but yes like i said life is anywhere between the 2 to 4k life depending on level and investment on gear. .


but ... is it fair that with good investment you will have 4k life while energy shield on similar investment will have 15-20k ES while also being immune to chaos damage/ poison / bleed? and while also having recharge that happens every 1-1.5 seconds?

yes the energy shield % on tree are wayyyyy tooo massive.. . 15% on every single small passive node compared to 6% on poe 1, and notables are like 40 and 60% energy shield in a single node? why cant we have 60% life on a single notable ? everyone who check the passive tree and see the ES nodes on tree and is fair can agree and see that ES is too op and should be nerfed.. its just not fair and it limit the choices in builds.. .


becuse right now it does not make any sense to not go energy shield

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NoyAvargel#6918 wrote:

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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chugaalpoe#6510 wrote:

I think ggg decided that ES is ok how it is, otherwise they wouldnt have designed it this way. Who do you think you are that you are the "final" instance of deciding what is overpowerd or not?

GGG designed the slam that one-shots bosses. (They nerfed it)

GGG designed the magnetic volley that one-shots bosses. (They nerfed it)

Not that this is the only unbalanced crap...
We had gas grenades, cast on "x", SRS loop, etc.

Are you sure you are "thinking", that is, applying reason, recognizing patterns, etc... and not just "hoping" they will not nerf ES.

Not trying to flame you or anything, just to see the things as they are.

love you!

100% right on spot. idk why people defend it or why people think its ok that life builds struggle to go above 2k HP most people start maps at 1.5k life while ES with 0 investment is easily and comfortably at 6-7 ES and with investment is at 20k ES ... it takes the fun out of the game.. the game currently is already strict with builds due to balance issues and this just makes everything that is life based not worth making or starting

Who is defending that life build strugle? I would welcome if lifebuilds will have more fun any day. But do you think its the right way to change the balance by letting ES builds strugle too? Why not upgrade life till its on par with ES and than we can decide if both are ok or should be finetuned? Why do have both sides have unfun experiences before we can start finetuning?

makes everything that is life based not worth making or starting[/quote]

Who is defending that life build strugle? I would welcome if lifebuilds will have more fun any day. But do you think its the right way to change the balance by letting ES builds strugle too? Why not upgrade life till its on par with ES and than we can decide if both are ok or should be finetuned? Why do have both sides have unfun experiences before we can start finetuning?[/quote]

you think that im against you and want you to suffer which is childish view from you (not trying to offend) im not against you neither am i playing a life build ... i played CoC it got nuked no gold for respect means im litrally starting new which means i can make ES (which i will make ES becuse its nonesense to make life ) so you see turn out my new build is actually ES... there isnt a life group vs ES group here.. . its simply stating that its not balanced at the moment. . yes i agree that life is in bad spot and i dont think ES need to be bad like life is.. . but at the same time i think that ES is still infact too op and not in a healthy spot. . and it needs to be tunned down.. i dont think 20k ES is ok.. and im suggesting that life will be buffed and ES will be nerfed so that they both of them meet at a much better more fair and balanced place