Early Access Feedback - I demand GGG do POLLING instead of PANDERING to angry vocal minority - Forum

" alhazred70#2994 wrote: " Mr_Vagtastic#4761 wrote: Did you miss the poll? They posted the results here after gathering the data: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3611705 This is a patchnote. A poll is when a representative sampling of a cohort (the playerbase of a game for example) are asked questions that can be used to determine how they feel accurately. A poll is NOT when the most passionate or motivated subset of the playerbase runs to twitter or the forum to scream loudly about how the game needs to be made easier after a couple hours of gameplay in a brand new game where no one has solved anything or adapted (aka gamed). GGG is also not a team of inspired guys in a garage who dipped into their savings anymore. The game will be a commercial success, but it has to be a massive one. You and I will never outspend what GGG could obtain with compromise.	Posted by Kaboinglefop#0955 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:20:00 PM Quote this Post
" alhazred70#2994 wrote: " Mr_Vagtastic#4761 wrote: Did you miss the poll? They posted the results here after gathering the data: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3611705 This is a patchnote. A poll is when a representative sampling of a cohort (the playerbase of a game for example) are asked questions that can be used to determine how they feel accurately. A poll is NOT when the most passionate or motivated subset of the playerbase runs to twitter or the forum to scream loudly about how the game needs to be made easier after a couple hours of gameplay in a brand new game where no one has solved anything or adapted (aka gamed). GGG "polls" every action players make from the moment they login, it's as pure of a poll as you can get.	Posted by Mr_Vagtastic#4761 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:20:58 PM Quote this Post
Players dont know what they want. I'll trust GGG devs do what they feel is best. --- you may skip this rant ---- I think this even if I believe atm poe2 is not very good. 7 or 8/10. Closer to 7 than 8. "Not very good" when I say 7 or 8? I dont even bother touching games below 7. Why would I play or pay for mid games? Games I play need to be good. So unless they are good they are bad. I will likely play this for few hundred hours at the very least, so one might still call it success. That time will not be because of end game or trying to go deep. No, it will be simply me testing all classes, ascendancies and skills until I have tried everything I wanted. These characters will likely not go past first few tiers of maps. Nor will I invest in game, since I don't intend to play it for "very long time" like I did with poe1. Poe2 is not a game I would invest into atm. --- end is here --- I hope GGG will get EA feedback and without interference of any silly polls they will make the necessary changes. I dont remember who said it, but its true, I believe. Roughly "Players are very good at telling when something is wrong, but they are very bad at telling how to fix it." Taking anything else than feedback to pinpoint those problems is a big error. Last edited by Morae#1328 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:22:58 PM	Posted by Morae#1328 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:21:40 PM Quote this Post
" DragonLordKnight#3514 wrote: They make some QOL changes that are sensible and you start foaming at the mouth. Whos the vocal minority again? we don't actually know and thats the point. There are several thousand upvote reddit threads by people who don't want GGG to immediately nerf the difficulty BTW. Also every thread on this forum has people who diagree that the game needs to be easier. My main point is that I don't want them to only listen to the 1% most angry "I've played the game for 5 hours and demand you make it easier" crowd. I don't want them to knee jerk react to selection bias... which unfortunately they've already done and have shown over the years that they're very vulnerable to doing. Because they don't use a scientific means of data collection... they just respond to whoever howls the loudest. This is a great way to turn POE2 into Diablo 4. Pandering to players who don't want consequences for their mistakes is a perfect description of what went fundamentally wrong with D3 and 4. If they wanted mindless mobile game time waster gameplay they sure did make some perplexing choices and marketing statements for 6 fucking years.	Posted by alhazred70#2994 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:23:38 PM Quote this Post
" alhazred70#2994 wrote: " DragonLordKnight#3514 wrote: They make some QOL changes that are sensible and you start foaming at the mouth. Whos the vocal minority again? we don't actually know and thats the point. There are several thousand upvote reddit threads by people who don't want GGG to immediately nerf the difficulty BTW. Also every thread on this forum has people who diagree that the game needs to be easier. My main point is that I don't want them to only listen to the 1% most angry "I've played the game for 5 hours and demand you make it easier" crowd. I don't want them to knee jerk react to selection bias... which unfortunately they've already done and have shown over the years that they're very vulnerable to doing. Because they don't use a scientific means of data collection... they just respond to whoever howls the loudest. This is a great way to turn POE2 into Diablo 4. It's the 10 of you on the forums keeping this temper tantrum going. Keep "demanding" GGG do anything, they owe you diddly squat.	Posted by Mr_Vagtastic#4761 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:26:06 PM Quote this Post
" alhazred70#2994 wrote: we don't actually know and thats the point. There are several thousand upvote reddit threads by people who don't want GGG to immediately nerf the difficulty BTW. Also every thread on this forum has people who diagree that the game needs to be easier. My main point is that I don't want them to only listen to the 1% most angry "I've played the game for 5 hours and demand you make it easier" crowd. I don't want them to knee jerk react to selection bias... which unfortunately they've already done and have shown over the years that they're very vulnerable to doing. Because they don't use a scientific means of data collection... they just respond to whoever howls the loudest. This is a great way to turn POE2 into Diablo 4. We already know. Maybe 0.5% of PoE1 players play Ruthless. Something like 5% play Hardcore. 90% play Softcore Trade. Also you know nothing about Diablo IV, it was exactly as slow and annoying as PoE2 now after the release, sometimes even worse with every monster having crowd control effect. It was fixed later. PoE2 will be fixed too, or will have somehting like 20k online. It may be good game to complete it once, but I can't see playing it every league with slow characters, no movement skills and long campaign.	Posted by Hornsent#1110 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:29:52 PM Quote this Post
" Morae#1328 wrote: Players dont know what they want. I'll trust GGG devs do what they feel is best. Sorry for not quoting the rant and the end bit but this is all i need. like you, I'm just gonna trust GGG to do what they think is right for the game. Feedback is great but honestly the absolute extremes people are going to just makes me want to ignore the entire community. mini rant - I think there's too many opinionated people who haven't got a clue but think they know better. People are talking about Diablo this, Diablo that but honestly Diablo hasn't been good in decades and if you want a modern Diablo 2 just go play Diablo 2, it still exists. They will more than likely make a Ruthless mode again for this game and this will suit the people who want no drops and the game to be difficult, why punish everyone with what YOU want? Weird stance to take. I'm probably not gonna post on this forum again, the influx of just pure fucking negative people from Diablo or wherever they came from is pathetic. This post was sponsored by me. Last edited by DetonatorLoki#3683 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:31:33 PM	Posted by DetonatorLoki#3683 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:30:10 PM Quote this Post
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" Mr_Vagtastic#4761 wrote: It's the 10 of you on the forums keeping this temper tantrum going. Keep "demanding" GGG do anything, they owe you diddly squat. And its the 10 of you angry "gamers" demanding that POE2 be devolved into a silly POE1 clone. See how anyone can make up an ad populum argument without any polling numbers? Anyone can play that game: however the type of player who can't hack POE2 is also probably going be bad at knowing what a logic fallacy is and thus also bad at argument as well. Pandering to players who don't want consequences for their mistakes is a perfect description of what went fundamentally wrong with D3 and 4. If they wanted mindless mobile game time waster gameplay they sure did make some perplexing choices and marketing statements for 6 fucking years.	Posted by alhazred70#2994 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:35:35 PM Quote this Post
" alhazred70#2994 wrote: Johnathan, Mark you guys are smart enough to know what selection bias is. Think about how many posts an angry 1% of 200 or 300 thousand players can make (tens of thousands a day). Its not possible to get a representative view of the games balance by reading rage posts. I'm not saying polls wouldn't put my view in the minority either, but at least it would be more accurate and represent more views than just the most strong outliers. you are now ruining (IMO worsening) this band new game by caving into EARLY most DISTORTED FEEDBACK OF THE LEAST SKILLED LEAST EXPERIENCED PLAYERS POE2 WILL EVER HAVE. (Note thats ALL OF US I am not singling anyone out here, we're all very new). Mixed with what I expect is a minority opinion of people who want POE2 to devolve into the silly 1 button spam, loot dumpster that is POE1. 98% of the playerbase is PLAYING... the only people raging on the forums or twitter are the most motivated angry 1% and some probably smaller % of the most experienced "clear speed meta" haters who have lost this battle in POE1 already and are gunshy about losing it a second time. There are many POE2 reddit threads upvoted a lot about this same subject on both sides. its by no means clear at all that the angry POE1 boys are in the majority. LET THE FUCKIN DUST SETTLE, do polling find out how people feel ACCURATELY before you cave in and ruin the game with a bunch of balance destroying irreversible buffs. I don't demand they do anything, but I do agree. I beat E.T. on Atari when I was 5. When it came out. This is what I do.	Posted by King_Emris#5889 on Dec 11, 2024, 8:44:19 PM Quote this Post