T17s are still an overtuned mess that are also annoying to roll

And this is why you do it to other people to show how better than them you are!

Don't worry t17 surely are the problem not the character that could not even exist for all everyone know.

Anyway keep it like that someday someone is going to take it seriously im sure!

Also weren't you leaving the thread?

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

after what you guys did to that coc scion guy can you blame me for not sharing my characters? if constant indirect bullying wasnt a thing around here then i would be more than happy to share

No this is not true at all, your characters were hidden long before that. Back in the thread about loot not dropping at league start and divines not divines, exalts not exalts, 6 links not 6 links in the campaign... story was not kept straight..

Me not starting before the divine/exalt one... but I actually did and you could easily see that. You remember that surely.

So your characters were hidden long before echo and their claims. You cant point to that and be like "see this is why..."

Untrue statements aside;

Echoes arguments were getting hit by phys oneshots. Kind of reminiscent to your ideas on what the boss in fortress does.

Both having extremely flawed understanding on both defensive's in the game and what damage the boss even does.

And then looking at their character seeing what the problem was. As it was not t17s, phys one shots, elemental hits, spell suppress.... lack of armour...

It was just their character in the end.

Which, if you think that is harsh, having accountability and actual references/data to back your claims up. Then this is more of a victimhood perspective. And shows a massive ego problem, as this is a delusion that your character is perfect and you are doing nothing wrong; but the content is the problem.

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

after what you guys did to that coc scion guy can you blame me for not sharing my characters? if constant indirect bullying wasnt a thing around here then i would be more than happy to share

I'm sorry if I accidentally started this debate about ur build lol. I just wanted to make sure what exactly ur problem with those bosses was.

I think we figured out that ur goal is to facetank the bosses without moving at all and u feel ur current build should be able to do just that. If u can't, then the bosses are overtuned in ur opinion.

Even tho I don't agree, u're entitled to it and it's ur feedback.

Imo sometimes it's good to look at someones build and shine a light on some weaknesses that could be fixed and the player might not have considered to help with certain problems. I also think tho, if someones doesn't post in the gameplay help section, that it's mostly not appreciated and seen as rude/bullying by alot of players. So if u don't want to share ur build, that's fine, but getting more eyes on a build is almost never a bad thing if u can handle some rude comments.

Anyway, keep it up and try out some ubers.

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Sadaukar wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

after what you guys did to that coc scion guy can you blame me for not sharing my characters? if constant indirect bullying wasnt a thing around here then i would be more than happy to share

I'm sorry if I accidentally started this debate about ur build lol. I just wanted to make sure what exactly ur problem with those bosses was.

I think we figured out that ur goal is to facetank the bosses without moving at all and u feel ur current build should be able to do just that. If u can't, then the bosses are overtuned in ur opinion.

Even tho I don't agree, u're entitled to it and it's ur feedback.

Imo sometimes it's good to look at someones build and shine a light on some weaknesses that could be fixed and the player might not have considered to help with certain problems. I also think tho, if someones doesn't post in the gameplay help section, that it's mostly not appreciated and seen as rude/bullying by alot of players. So if u don't want to share ur build, that's fine, but getting more eyes on a build is almost never a bad thing if u can handle some rude comments.

Anyway, keep it up and try out some ubers.

i had a friend look at it and he said its fine. i copied his tree/gear as much as i could. he just has a mageblood and nimis. having permanent flasks is huge.

if i thought people genuinely wanted to help, i would share it but i know why they want to see it and its not to help so i wont share. its not like i need help anyway since i can tank every normal content except t17 map boss

Yea apparently telling people holes in their defense and/or problems with their build for the content they are running isnt helping.

Reality is the real "not helping" is providing no actionable feedback with nothing but stories.

A lot of feedback about T17 maps comes from players who run characters that have huge holes in their defences, so of course people will default to looking at that first. After all, if those holes can be pointed out and fixed, and you're doing better after, there is no problem anymore.

I know that self-reflection isn't always an inherent trait in the gaming community where everyone just wants to be the best and can't make mistakes. It just isn't a healthy mindset.

And still the only way people stop complaining about these is removing the drops and make it just a boss fight for fragments. People who can´t kill these bosses wouldn´t do them anymore since they wouldn´t even try ubers and prices weren´t around T17 farming. I think removing Scarabs, Atlas tree and the Drop Multipliers on these would also work.

And no I don´t have issues clearing these. Easy money print and boring content.

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

i had a friend look at it and he said its fine. i copied his tree/gear as much as i could. he just has a mageblood and nimis. having permanent flasks is huge.

That does already sound like a big mistake to blindly copy a mageblood build as a lot of those builds make use of the enhanced flasks in a defensive way to free up affixes on gear for more damage.
You did mention in a earlier post that your friend is able to tank everything but you can't which makes it pretty obvious that you do in fact lack out on a lot defense on your character and that's not even because of the missing mageblood but likely bad gear choices for a non mageblood build.

Aside of that you also do half of his damage if not even way less causing you to prob run out of flask charges over time which results in even way less defense if you copied everything 1/1.
So in the end it appears to be your fault and not the fault of maps being "overtuned" afterall.

again i dont die to any other normal content so the build is not as bad you try to make out to be.
are you saying people need a mB to tank that boss? he has a basalt flask and a jade flask with iron reflexes from tree so he gets a ton more armor but thats the only main difference. if thats true than these maps are even more poorly balanced than i thought. just because the map is ONE tier higher than 16 doesnt mean it should be this much harder

1) it is established and known that the difference between T15 and T16 is not the same as between T16 and T17. If it was, it'd be a walk in the park and an unncessary addition to the game given how difficulty and reward are tied together.

2) the difference between having really good physical mitigation and not having that layer is.... the difference between life and death. So yes, unless your build covers PDR in another capacity that'd be the big hole in your defence

3) we don't know how good or bad your character is, because no one has seen it. Going off the information you yourself provide it's built around Mageblood and Nimis, but you have no Mageblood... which is a huge difference.