T17 needs a re-work

so as a casual player it took me quite a bit of effort to complete these maps and i am disappointed with the boss drops.
how about the boss has a guaranteed drop thats actually worth something? i done about 10 of these maps solo and most of the times i dropped the sirus fragment that was worth a whopping 10 chaos or the shaper one that was worth 30 chaos or near it. i spent more chaos rolling the maps than what these fragments are worth.

i'm not a giga juicer so i rely on the boss drops to make running the map worthwhile and right now for me these maps are not worth running. too much effort for very little reward. can we have a bit more incentive to complete these maps? i'm not even asking for the maps to be less difficult, just have the boss drop something worthwhile.

( i know for juicers these maps are already profitable but how about we dont balance the game around the minority)

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

can we have a bit more incentive to complete these maps?

The incentive already exists to give you access to uber fights and also the juicy loot along the way.
But it's no shocking surprise that the fragments ain't worth much at the very end of the league.
Or you could always run those fragments for a chance of some jackpot items :)

Supply and demand, laws of the market - they are worth exactly as much as people willing to pay. Some people don't have to roll them at all, so they can farm them cheaper, and get better profit. Also maps cost as much as people willing to pay for them - so if someone pay as much as they cost, most likely he can profit on it. You will probably have a lot bigger profit from them on league start.

They will drop more - they will cost more, they will be rarer (or at least expected to be).

T17 are profitable enough, including boss.

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Pashid wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

can we have a bit more incentive to complete these maps?

The incentive already exists to give you access to uber fights and also the juicy loot along the way.
But it's no shocking surprise that the fragments ain't worth much at the very end of the league.
Or you could always run those fragments for a chance of some jackpot items :)

i was running these maps like 2 months ago before i quit. even back then the frags were not worth anything except the maven one

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

i was running these maps like 2 months ago before i quit. even back then the frags were not worth anything except the maven one

This data is quite off, as often you get more than one fragment, 3 types are still worth a lot more than the maps, one is more or less equal, and 3 are less - and that is just for the boss. 2 moths ago most frags were close to map price or a lot higher.

From experience I can say that t17 are often a sure profit just from the boss, not to mention other drops from regular mobs.

maybe it wasnt 2 months then. i know i looked the prices at the time and the maps were around 70c and all the frags except the maven one was below 70c. sirus was def 10c and shaper around 30c

streamers were chain running these maps on day 3 and selling the frags for dirt cheap so that ruined the supply demand part.

same thing will happen next league so thats why the boss should drop something unique other than just the frag.

Was you running one particular map or all t17, because at least Sanctuary map was 55c+ for a week only somewhere in first month, most of the time it was in 40-50c range in last months. Might have been a temporary price spike due to weekend/challenge rush. Considering often boss drop more than one fragment, it is a very profitable. Not to mention map drops.

Yes, same thing will probably happen in next league, and I expect them to be as profitable as before.

If you think that "something unique" that will drop 100% of the time and will be worth something without increasing map price, you're mistaken. Either map price will go up, or that "something unique that always drop" will be worthless.

It is profitable as it is.

i was mainly running fortress because thats what dropped in jungle valley and it has the easiest boss also.

its fine, if nothing changes then i just sell all the maps i drop instead of running them. i just think its really weird that the hardest content in the game drops nothing of value. where is the carrot? i even saw one streamers skip the boss in all his runs because it was a waste of time to do it

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

i was mainly running fortress because thats what dropped in jungle valley and it has the easiest boss also.

its fine, if nothing changes then i just sell all the maps i drop instead of running them. i just think its really weird that the hardest content in the game drops nothing of value. where is the carrot? i even saw one streamers skip the boss in all his runs because it was a waste of time to do it

That streamer could have been a mapper with low dps/bad on boss but great clear build.
T17 drops more than plenty, you also picked most popular map for challenges (because, as you mentioned, it is considered easiest by many). Might be wise to check how people roll them for more profit, or learn how to run other, cheaper t17s.

The carrot is there, you just picked most popular map, twice as expensive as other t17s.

I think problem is that Poe is all about juicing. And running something not juiced is simply not worth at all. If you run not juiced but well rolled t17 - with high quant, pack size and for example increased currency you will drop more than in lower tier maps, but almost for sure you will make less than if you just sell the map. And if you spend lots of chaos on rolling it you might actually not even make profit. So yeah, I agree. Running not juiced t17 is not worth it. As well as running not juiced T whatever though.