Trade system pissing me off and a comparison to diablo

I try to buy some fertile catalyst, easier said than done, atleast in standard. Cant even buy a simple item like this, no one is responding for a trade, WTF. But maybe its not a wtf, but its just the norm, how trade was intended by ggg. ( Let me tell you straight away, ggg you are wrong about your auction house religion, even if you must adjust droprates, thats ok do it because thats better than whatever we have now BY FAR ).

If this game just had a better system for trade, A SYSTEM NOT REQUIRING TO MEET FACE TO FACE to do the trade. All non equipment items at the very minimum should be a instant buy thing. And it should have been at first day of poe 1 birth.

Imho poe trade system is much much worse and much much more toxic than what the famous d3 ah ever was. It really is, i have played both games and its not even close, i would pick d3 ah system over poe any day of the week. I compare poes system with d3 trade system because so many has critized d3 for being so bad.
But i say it straight out the diablo games is to be 100% honest better games in an overall sence, Just the game world alone poe is far from what the diablo games is, the backstory, the sence of doing something great and important which poe never really captured as well as diablo imho. The atmosphere. And there is no true barbarian/warrior in poe( which is a disaster for an arpg because of it poe is not really an arpg ) The feel the old d1 gave me years ago, poe never did that to me. The entire world in poe is so much more meh compared to diablo. Poe is not scary at all, the bosses in poe i dont care honestly. Poe is too chaotic and seems so made as whatever happens and stays in the game gets to stays. That shall become poe lol ( poe story...we dont know yet lol ). Poe is like, lets have many many bright colors and the skills shall be extremely visible just as the rest of all that is happening on the screen. Poe looks extremely childish because of it and it takes away all the mystique of the environments and the general feel the game should have delivered on, diablo didnt do this huge mistake. Then the characters in poe, i mean do this, compare the barbarian in diablo to the marauder in poe. Feedback to you ggg, its kinda important that the character we are playing actually is charismatic,
i played mostly the barbarian in diablo, the marauder in poe cant compete with this, he is just meh. But it was perhaps on purpose to sell mtx or was it to cover up that melee is bad, they just pick another class.

Ofc poe is much more complex and has many many more builds compared to diablo. But if you think about it, most builds in poe is based on that right mouse button anyway. Just different skills, yes tons of them, but still you make those builds that is mostly like 1 button builds anyway. Wow it looks different, green color vs red color maybe or whatever. It is still you made a build based on using one button. Yes poe will always be the better game when it comes to making builds, but its not as significant anyway because most builds is 1 button builds.

I was hyped about poe2 for awhile too btw, not anymore but to be fair the arpg games is more and more not that great games anymore to me, much because of it is: poe is extremely annoying if you play melee, its so unbalanced and its not any effort given to save an entire class and arpg archetype. For me ggg, its like you are giving me the middle finger bacuase i play melee. I always do in arpgs. But soooo many thinks that poe is so much greater than for example d4, but did d4 kill an entire class archetype, i dont think so. So how can poe be so great then, it is imho a atomic bomb. You absolutely nuked away this great potential game, that is exactly what you did ggg. I have suggested you sell poe as an offline game before and it must have an in game editor so that the players themselves can repair your work or else your game should be sold dirt cheap. With it poe will be worth full price but only with it, why because your game has a great potential if the game is in the right hands ( which is not you which is actually very strange but something happened to you its like the love just pofff gone, devil bought it ).

poe stash tab system compared to diablo, its not even a contest. ggg made an incredible system. 100 %. This is probably the greatest part of your game when we compare games with poe.


In conclusion: give me some of the complexity but far from all of it, the gem system, the stash space and i take it with me to another game. And that game that gets what you did great added would be the best arpg in the world because its so much you did with poe which is flat out a disaster but at the same time a lot of it is also great. I as an player, i just want to swing my sword melee warrior type dude against evil monsters without being annoyed by the game. But in your game that is easier said than done. If i atleast could trade, woooops cant do that either because of your religion about what auction houses do to games. That trade thingy we have now i bet your version of trade do more damage to the game than a auction house d3 style would. The game is more than only about the droprates and etc, its about having fun. Was that only a philosophy of old games perhaps. I dunno. ( This game still has so much potential, its a big reason why the game should be offline in the future so that we the players can finally enjoy the game in a perfected state, thats why we need the game editor so we the players can edit everything about the game, so we can fix everything since you dont have the proper skills for it because of your philosophy and religious attitude about things about the game for example an ah and many other things for that matters ).


Before i say good bye for now i just want to point out one more time so hopefully the effect of repetition can get through to you, squising itself past the religious mindset and in to the human : Hey your game looks like its made for children with lots of colors (d3 cow level style that ugly secret area in act 1 d3). You are grown men and still did this wtf, and you say you play your own game, wow really, do you honestly like this atmosphere which is 100 % opposite of what it should have been. It looked like you were on the right track 10 years ago or so. Just the fact that you destroyed melee is literally criminal to do to a innocent poor arpg that just wanted to live. But no you did perhaps the worst possible thing to an arpg, kill a not only a class but an ENTIRE ARCHETYPE. You just cant do that, and honestly i want my money back, that should be fair when the developer literally destroyed the product. all my stash tabs about 60 its not so much.

Thank you in advance

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Devonor wrote:

Trade system pissing me off and a comparison to diablo

You know that in diablo(4) you need to go to some private discord, website or forum and make a deal there, share battletags, then add each other on battlenet, then have to be both online at same time, add each other to party, portal to each other, find what you was selling, as tabs have no pricetags, and then trade?
Also, read trade manifesto, might give you some insight.

I thought you want to play PoE offline, why do you even want to trade with other players?

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Nomancs wrote:

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Devonor wrote:

Trade system pissing me off and a comparison to diablo

You know that in diablo(4) you need to go to some private discord, website or forum and make a deal there, share battletags, then add each other on battlenet, then have to be both online at same time, add each other to party, portal to each other, find what you was selling, as tabs have no pricetags, and then trade?
Also, read trade manifesto, might give you some insight.

That is even worse, wow. I was compareing the trade system of d3.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

I thought you want to play PoE offline, why do you even want to trade with other players?

As an alternative, i probably should have pointed that out. What i mean is, i want a good trade system if the game is as is online. If the game gets completely abandoned which it looks like in few years can happen, i want to buy it as an offline game to enjoy as a single player. But i only gonna buy it if i can edit the game how i want it to be. Its just that.

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Devonor wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

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Devonor wrote:

Trade system pissing me off and a comparison to diablo

You know that in diablo(4) you need to go to some private discord, website or forum and make a deal there, share battletags, then add each other on battlenet, then have to be both online at same time, add each other to party, portal to each other, find what you was selling, as tabs have no pricetags, and then trade?
Also, read trade manifesto, might give you some insight.

That is even worse, wow. I was compareing the trade system of d3.

well, mostly there was no trade in d3, they tested ah for a very short time and it failed as an experiment.

I would be surprised if they changed the trading system. They have held onto it for so long, despite there always being requests for a different or better system.

I think the company is happy and most players just accept it.

just create your own game with alot of good loot and effective easy trade.
maybe some players, who end up on the winners side, even like it.

human interaction is the only method to prevent automatisation in trade, just look how creative ggg got with (league) mechanics and how everything was trivialised by players building programs to easily remove the complexity for everyone.

There are models of auction houses (difered trading) out there that work.

If someone is concerned, there are many ways to prevent mass scalping, RMT and boting. PoE only needs to look at them.

As example, a MTX way to expand your "auction trade slots", may be of interest of GGG (and limit what botter alts and bannable RMT traders can do), as real hardcore traders will want to have many many visibility trade slots or other quality of life perks (like tabs) that makes trading and looking for customers a lot easier (including trade of low-to-mid value items).

And of course, this can coexist with the current "retail" and hand-to-hand trade or friends hideout drop.

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Halugar wrote:

There are models of auction houses (difered trading) out there that work.

If someone is concerned, there are many ways to prevent mass scalping, RMT and boting. PoE only needs to look at them.

As example, a MTX way to expand your "auction trade slots", may be of interest of GGG (and limit want botter alts can do), as real hardcore traders will want to have many trade slots or other quality of life perks that makes trading and visibility a lot easier (including trade of low-to-mid value items).

And of course, this can coexist with the current "retail" and hand-to-hand trade or friends hideout drop.

They already described it in trade manifesto, what would be changed in PoE 1 if AH would be implemented. They can design PoE 2 around instant trade tho. My fav AH is in EVE Online where someone can oneshot you when you dock/undock from AH and take those items from your wreck (or at least what didn't blow up).