T17 Post patch is too difficult for new players who are getting into them now...

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doomiz wrote:

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Ayxera wrote:

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doomiz wrote:

86-88 max res, chaos res capped, 60k-90k armour, ailment immune.
t17 mobs shit on me like im naked.
Tried 2 maps, didn't even see the boss ;D
ggg...gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

You are not explaining the full picture. What were the map mods? How much physical and elemental max hit can you take before being 1 shot? Do you have damage avoidance? Do you have very good life recovery?

I am able to full clear t17s deathless on an off-meta build designed by my self in SSF so I don't think this post is true at all, in fact is is rather misleading. It is not designed for new players.

One had something like: mobs got ~130% more hp, 50%es as hp, ~40% more dmg and maven interfere. (seemed like an easy mod combo compared to the others dunno if im correct)

Second one had 180% of phys taken as extra elemental dmg, extra mob block dmg and some other.

My ehp is 120k, max phys taken 20k, max ele dmg taken 92k, 15% from phys taken as elemental, no extra dmg from crits. (this is without any flasks)

Any info would be greatly appreciated cause this is one of my tankiest characters and it's just getting deleted :|

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

Told you it was a YOU issue lol

Claimed to be tanky

Not even REMOTELY tanky.

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I was like "how does this guy have half my phys max hit" when I play a champ and you play a jugg with a brass dome but then I saw you only have 3k life..

Few things right off the bat:
- Atziri's Promise does nothing for your build; phys as extra chaos is useless with Brutality support since that prevents damage types other than phys
- very low life on boots, only 50 on helmet

Your life leech is limited by your life total. Most Juggs on HC have a lot more HP and armour. Going Determination + Grace with Iron Reflexes

Another obvious thing is spell suppression gear and taking the Entrench wheel.
Stormshroud setup is awkward. Ideally you get shock avoidance on an abyss jewel (ilvl 70+ can roll up to 50%) and fix it with Essence-crafted boots. Buy a pair with spell suppression fracture and roll with shock. You can get up to 60% from essence on armour, so you can save yourself the Eater implicit on boots (t1 ichor rolls 17% avoidance) which also lets you save 4 points for Crystal Skin

Your tree could then look something like https://pobb.in/kM--y0duLjSF

There's more that can be done but those are the easiest fixes for now

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

You're not even tanky.

Not even remotely.

That is why you died in a t17 yet yo wonder why and blamed GGG.

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SilverWF wrote:

To beat t17 you should buy several mirrors at (we all know where) and then invest them to your build - there is several expensive but nobrainer OP options for most builds.
Then you are fine.
That's how current PoE are meant to be played.