Nobody played frozen legion this league

Somebody enlighted me today in the forum that even if some gems are terrible to play, there are some people that managed to do it. And got even to level 100. Probably with 5 way, given their effective hitpool. Got impressed honestly. There's someone masochist enough to play sweep and blight. And also, with the person reasoning, he had a point. You can still make builds with some terrible gems
I really felt like, i I had a negative multiplier to my mana cost after that one.
But nonethess, nobody played frozen legion this league. I checked on poe ninja, not one. 8 in ancestor league. And the builds don't function anymore. Is not even on the search tab in afliction as an 0.0%.
Nobody ever played conversion trap, if not just to see how bad it's, or riposte, or reckoning. Or quite some link gems.
Only one person played destructive link this league and the build is terrible
I remember GGG advertising once that "you can make a buid with any gem".
Can't think on a bigger lie.
The truth is that many gems never see the light of the day.
Not because, simply, there are better options.
Just because they're unplayable. You just can't enjoy the game with them. Can't progress in it, with them. Too weak. Some gems don't scale even with high investment, or if they do, is just not worth it. Because even with expensive itens, they're still weak. Too weak to properly play the game, even on it's easy, (not uber bossing), mode.
I'm not even asking to all gems to be equaly good. More playable gems would be enough.
Even tough some terribly weak gems still have people that play them, it's more a matter of proving a point. Nobody will go into maps with pucture and manage to get the currency it needs to hit 1M damage and still have a life, you know what I mean?
I actually like to not follow guides you know. I have still have to do it once. Always did my builds. I think is the fun part of the game.
Would be more fun, if more gems where functionable.
Specially links. I think they are cool.
If only the soul bound ring had an affix where you don't die if you use them, instead of removinf the death exp loss of that death. Can be a replica. The only affix. Just saying. Some cool builds would already pop up. I can think in one.

To the point of repo and siphoning trap, they haven't got transgemder versions yet.

But yes you can make a build with any gem, doesn't mean it'll be good.
In really hoping conversion/siphoning trap get good versions next league.

But I'm not going to sit here and be upset that a few gems are shit when we got so many new toys this league with more to come

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TheGodAmongMen wrote:

To the point of repo and siphoning trap, they haven't got transgemder versions yet.

But yes you can make a build with any gem, doesn't mean it'll be good.
In really hoping conversion/siphoning trap get good versions next league.

But I'm not going to sit here and be upset that a few gems are shit when we got so many new toys this league with more to come

Almost half of gems on PoB ninja are in the 0.0% category.
The meta and league starters are bland nowadays.
More of the same.
Just go in the gems category in builds and scroll down. Probably more than half actually (main links category)
"All skills" category, a third. half between 0.0% and 0.2%

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fenixsemcinzas wrote:

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TheGodAmongMen wrote:

To the point of repo and siphoning trap, they haven't got transgemder versions yet.

But yes you can make a build with any gem, doesn't mean it'll be good.
In really hoping conversion/siphoning trap get good versions next league.

But I'm not going to sit here and be upset that a few gems are shit when we got so many new toys this league with more to come

Almost half of gems on PoB ninja are in the 0.0% category.
The meta and league starters are bland nowadays.
More of the same.
Just go in the gems category in builds and scroll down. Probably more than half actually.
"All skills" category, nearly half

You do understand that most people who play don't get very far... people do play those skill still. Poe ninja only really shows the top "x" percent of players/builds.

Lots of us to tons of jank builds, or off meta builds. We still need to fund them with meta builds. I have friends that religiously play charged dash, I have friends who always do dark pact once per league etc.

Just because you don't see it reflected in the numbers doesn't mean people aren't doing them.

Also you could choose to not play meta or not care about the meta, lots of off meta builds are fairly cheap to fund because nobody is using the gear associated with it

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TheGodAmongMen wrote:

You do understand that most people who play don't get very far... people do play those skill still. Poe ninja only really shows the top "x" percent of players/builds.


Just because you don't see it reflected in the numbers doesn't mean people aren't doing them.

Also you could choose to not play meta or not care about the meta, lots of off meta builds are fairly cheap to fund because nobody is using the gear associated with it

Look.
Read this with Syrus voice. Cause I'm writing with it.
That's the point
The f* point
Now you can stop the Syrus voice.
You can't go really far with quite some gems. Or any far at all.
Some look they are not really meant to be played. But that can't be right?
And I mean. Yeap, the numbers say it. People aren't playing.
There are people with 60k damage on Poe ninja and less. You click and see, they where actually trying. The junky build are there also. Trust me. I seen have them.
By what you said of your friends, I'm even wondering if I'm not one now. Cause damn. I had played quite some junky builds in the past too. In the past. Seasoned junk build player here. If something my area on expertise on this game. I won't accept being lectured on it

one more clarification on "reading" PoE Ninja:

Skill "power" shifts dynamically with time in a league. Certain skills that are used far more in the first week or two, fall completely out of favor later in a league. Meanwhile, some skills that basically cannot be used until specific items are found take longer to show up on PoE Ninja.

BIG example of this: Lightning Arrow usage week 1 = 8%. Current timestamp = 2%. That is a HUGE HUGE HUGE discrepancy that you need to think about when critiquing skill usage.

To get a TRUE accurate representation of "skill usage", there are many hoops you need to jump through:
1) Check multiple timestamps: week 1, week 4, week 8, current timestamp, etc.
2) Ignore support gems: many are found only in niche builds, or smaller subsets of builds
3) (temporarily) Group together all skills of the same family. Transfigured gems are new, and are also based off the main skill so it is safe to pretty much group these together when you talk about the usage of an overall "skill". This will become less necessary in later leagues.
4) Understand that even 0.1% is a LOT of people playing with that skill. When 0.0% translates to sometimes 20+ players, sometimes even 50+ players, that is a somewhat significant amount.
5) You are only looking at level 90 - 100 builds by default. MANY players do not reach that level before starting a new character, and don't show up on those lists. While it is a good metric, know that what you see on PoE Ninja DOES get skewed a bit by the meta due to its nature of favoring lvl 100 characters. This makes #1 even more important.

Taking ALL OF THIS into account, there are actually VERY few skills currently in the game that see little to no usage, to the point of being ACTUALLY useless. Frozen Legion is one, most links, sweep, etc. But many arguments stating "Half of the skills aren't usable" are made by folks that simply....haven't experienced making a build with those other skills. Doesn't mean others are NOT making builds with them, just that it requires more experience, or more specific gear, or it simply isn't meta.

^ Nah.
Read the reply that starts with the syrus voice

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fenixsemcinzas wrote:

There are people with 60k damage on Poe ninja and less. You click and see, they where actually trying. The junky build are there also. Trust me. I seen have them.
By what you said of your friends, I'm even wondering if I'm not one now. Cause damn. I had played quite some junky builds in the past too. In the past. Seasoned junk build player here. If something my area on expertise on this game. I won't accept being lectured on it

I'm sorry but no....I don't trust you and I have no reason to. You are objectively wrong about the data you are pointing at (except Frozen Legion). Like the comments in the previous thread that led to this one, you are still operating on the same misconceptions and not truly understanding what it is you are looking at. You pointed AGAIN at the "damage numbers" as some kind of proof, when I already pointed out to you that those numbers for certain mechanics are wrong. Additionally, when a build uses TWO skills to deal damage PoE Ninja doesn't take that into account for TOTAL dps.

In the exceptional circumstance of literally ZERO people playing Frozen Legion, if you are cherry-picking your information as "proof" then no one will ever trust you.

Poor frozen legion, meanwhile cast on melee kill




many skills have been in the trash bin for so long i am surprise GGG even remember they exist.

[/quote] I'm sorry but no....I don't trust you and I have no reason to. [/quote]

Yeah? I did exactly what you suggested and the data about them got even more bland.
Specially at league start, as you would imagine.
Anyone can go and check the data.
You missed the part "click and see". Don't trust me, if you may.
There are few builds where the numbers misslead you. And none that I cited in this posted, are those.
Go back and read the "that's the point" reply too.
If you're smart, you will get the point.
That's what makes the interpretation of that data correct. The point. You missing.