Things that Last Epoch does better than POE.

Last Epoch does many things very well, but "better than PoE" makes no sense because the games are very, very different and are clearly catering to completely different target audiences.

Do you want mindless hack and slash which is so ridiculously easy that you'll kill quest bosses by accident and it's nearly impossible to make a build that can't clear content? Play LE.

Do you want a game which will try to kill you constantly, and which will expect a baseline of mechanical competance just to get halfway through the game's tutorial? Play PoE.

And it's not like you can't play BOTH games, depending on what you're in the mood for or which friends are online. This whole modern trend of defining your identity by a particular game or franchise is pure cringe anyway.

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billclinton48 wrote:

Sure there are issues in LE, it is after all still at 0.9.2 and endgame content is still a bit meagre, but I’m reasonably confident that tomorrow we will see a game that is gonna give POE a run for its money, perhaps not this week, but surely the months and years to come in a way that D3&4 never could.

Depends which PoE you mean. Both or PoE 1/2.

If the second one still has QoL issues and shitty visual clarity like the first one you may be right. But we shall see.

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Calling me a name doesn't help make you look more reasonable or nuanced. The choice of insult makes you look uninformed to such a degree that I can't actually even take offense. If you knew anything about that subject you'd know enough to understand that you can't possibly determine such a trait from an internet argument and so you're only throwing that out because you're lashing out emotionally instead of trying to bolster your argument.

I just think you're being incredibly hyperbolic and twisting and distorting a fresh game experience into some sort of perfection that's just not genuine or believable.


I find it impossible to believe anyone actually thinks LE's hyper washed out extremely repetitive and highly perspective distorted (disproportional) graphics are better than PEO's. Look at the size of fire in the background and close to your character its just all wrong flames are too big and it makes distant backgrounds look toy like and fake as fuck like a diorama with mixed scale models. look at fences not enough boards, they look like an armature diorama maker ran out of Popsicle sticks. Bridges that look like Kid's 2d refrigerator art, Buildings that look like Duke3D buildings from 1999 for fucks sake. I thought the Oriath area of POE looked bad until I saw "buildings" in LE. These surely look amateurish even to someone who's not very discerning?

But hey I'm no graphics snob I can enjoy a game with objectively inferior graphics, perspective rendering and level design that doesn't feel like a real place (oh and also seems to have nicked quite a lot from D2 and POE) but in a discussion about LE being "better in every way" to POE. Well its fair to point out that LE has quite amateurish graphics and level design.


Same for the animation. Slow janky stuttery, floaty... I'm sorry maybe you're just less familiar with game animation and art and audio and less discerning so you don't mind, thats fine as well, but it worth pointing out given your premise.

The music is extremely repetitive, they're obviously trying for a cinematic vibe by repeating themes (well they're actually repeating theme singular) in different tempos, harmonies and arrangements and it works nicely (its catchy); at first. But it rapidly gets overdone and then it gets annoying because they keep doing it in every other zone. Calling back to the same melody until it gets Rick Roll-esque repetitive.

Forget about build crafting combinatorics, Sure LE has many more times more builds than D4 or D3, and many are fresh and interesting and new unlike POE, but its still less crazy than POE and thus not doing that better unless you want/need less complexity and depth which is fair enough.

server performance, Its a shame that LE is actually WORSE THAN POE for netcode at least right now... I didn't think that was going to happen.

Then there's many QoL aspects; where's my cursor size? where's my cursor color? I'm old I'm quite liking GGG's recent Accessibility option improvements and I'm missing them in LE quite a lot.

What about chase items, aspirational bosses? Give me a break, you like the game (fair enough so do I) but it appears to me that you're ignoring anything that's wrong with it so you can assert an argument thats hyperbole at best.

LE's got some cool stuff, its actually far ahead of POE 1.0 but there's only 2 ways I can see anyone saying its better in every way and thats being unaware or not discerning of large swaths of things its clearly inferior in, or deliberately ignoring or hand waving them due to bias and an unwillingness to have a nuanced view.

The funniest thing today was reading LE Reddit and seeing all the cope about "review bombing" on Steam. People must realise that review bombing is used to describe when people make multiple accounts to post negative reviews. If they actually did that EHG would make a ton of money from all those extra game sales, because you need to own the game to review it LOL.

With such a launch, it is understandable that so many are unhappy and thus write a negative review, no?

Last Epoch does not borrow design philosophy excrement from the AAA industry where companies artificially dictate to players how they are allowed to play the game and actually has proper ultrawide support.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

The funniest thing today was reading LE Reddit and seeing all the cope about "review bombing" on Steam. People must realise that review bombing is used to describe when people make multiple accounts to post negative reviews. If they actually did that EHG would make a ton of money from all those extra game sales, because you need to own the game to review it LOL.

With such a launch, it is understandable that so many are unhappy and thus write a negative review, no?

Yeah I dunno man, this is a little like the good old P2W semantic arguments of 10 years ago. Sure thats what review bombing started off as. But these days it just means any time a game is being judged soly out of reactionary or temporary unintended things like having so much of a larger influx of players than anyone expected that its compounded an already rough and 100% expected pile of launch issues.

Reviews are supposed to take a balanced look at a product not permanently catalog temporary rage in a game that is 100% playable in offline mode. its actually a diservice to knee jerk react and is arguably not even what anyone means when they say "review".

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tackle70 wrote:

Last Epoch does not borrow design philosophy excrement from the AAA industry where companies artificially dictate to players how they are allowed to play the game and actually has proper ultrawide support.

There are tons of features LE has borrowed from other games including literally being most inspired by one of the largest AAA companies on earth Blizzard... It feels like you wrote that sentence only because you want to bring up wide screen.

How's the fight to regain an unfair viewing area advantage going? Its kinda besides the point but game development is literally the art of dictating how your game is played more or less successfully and ideally in a way that intrigues and entertains gamers and doesn't distort the games design intentions... you know like being able to see which way to go sooner than other players?

LE launched to an absurd success when it comes to Steam concurrent player count - it was over 250k, it exceeded Path of Exile record which was 209k during launch of Crucible league.

Obviously this is a small developer that's not equipped to handle such magnitude of a launch so there were major online play issues. And there still are.

I want both games to be great and borrow good features from eachother.

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alhazred70 wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

The funniest thing today was reading LE Reddit and seeing all the cope about "review bombing" on Steam. People must realise that review bombing is used to describe when people make multiple accounts to post negative reviews. If they actually did that EHG would make a ton of money from all those extra game sales, because you need to own the game to review it LOL.

With such a launch, it is understandable that so many are unhappy and thus write a negative review, no?

Yeah I dunno man, this is a little like the good old P2W semantic arguments of 10 years ago. Sure thats what review bombing started off as. But these days it just means any time a game is being judged soly out of reactionary or temporary unintended things like having so much of a larger influx of players than anyone expected that its compounded an already rough and 100% expected pile of launch issues.

Reviews are supposed to take a balanced look at a product not permanently catalog temporary rage in a game that is 100% playable in offline mode. its actually a diservice to knee jerk react and is arguably not even what anyone means when they say "review".

Words have meaning, alhazred. You know this. Review-bombing implies a concerted effort to harm a publisher. This isn't that. A lot of individuals had a bad first experience with the game and thus wrote a bad review. The term with its connotation is a simple means to relativise the reviews as something you don't have to take seriously.

Also, people use this term and then use it as an excuse to belittle the reviewers. Among the more egregious ones were lines such as "welcome to gaming, must be your first launch" or "just play offline what's the deal".

Well, offline mode was one of the big selling points of Last Epoch but there's no way you can convert an offline character to an online one. If you want to use the Merchant's Guild feature (another big selling point of LE) you have to play online. If you want to play with your friends, you have to play online.

That means you'll have to start over once servers are stable, which sucks. Understandably this upset a lot of people.