Please nerf us in 3.24! :)

I just played the Gauntlet a bit, last week, and even though that would probably be a bit much^^, it is a really nice experience if you have to think about what mobs and especially the bosses do, and you feel some sort of achievement, progressing through the game. (Not that I came far, only my fifth character or so made it out of act 1, and finally died at lvl 50 to Innocences balls...)

I feel like it is a good point in time for some really big nerfs to everything - most people are expecting some after the wild wood crazyness anyways, I guess, and probably with poe2 being a bit more methodical (hopefully!!) again, too, it's maybe a good idea to at least for the league directly before the beta have things tuned down a bit also in poe1. The power creep will come back eventually anyways. (I'm catching myself not wanting to make dot builds because I know that the dot cap can be reached (even if realistically not by my own builds, usually).)

If you are including the rare mobs in this (you mentioned in some interview, that you are planning to make different modifiers stack more in an additive rather than a multiplicative way, if I understood correctly), maybe there isn't even too much backlash. (I'm not enjoying mobs which you either can or can not kill, either. But having to interact with game mechanics, as said before boss fights, e.g. is actually a nice thing. ;) But even if there is some, in my opinion the ship shouldn't have sailed...

Our power is fucking stupid meanwhile joe schmo over here and bob dying to normal shaper going what is wrong with my build and you look into his POB and he has like the most random setup you've ever seen.

Truth is most people don't know how to gain power because they don't know what they're doing half of the time and go I HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE TO RESEARCH! Hell people don't even think armor is good ffs LMAO.

Asking for nerfs next league is like asking the sun to rise tomorrow. Like it's going to happen anyway, it's guaranteed. You are wasting your breath asking for it. They always happen.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Asking for nerfs next league is like asking the sun to rise tomorrow. Like it's going to happen anyway, it's guaranteed. You are wasting your breath asking for it. They always happen.

If you are watching the latest interviews, ggg definitely is affected by a lot of people complaining as soon as there is the fear that not everyone easily will be able to print currency and evaporate everything. So I assume you are right that some stuff will be brought in line, but I think stating that there are also players who share a lot of their perceived vision, that at least boss mechanics should matter, etc, is not necessarily a waste of anything.

Boss mechanics mattering isn't really a question of GGG nerfing something. If you put in enough effort you'll have the gear to ignore them. Even if GGG does nerf stuff it likely won't be to the degree of removing all the 1+ billion DPS builds.

If you want stuff to matter, restrict your gear investment. Even if someone handed me 20 mirrors, i wouldn't stuff them into a single build to make some unbeatable monstrosity. Would just ruin my fun.

As for people complaining, that will always happen one way or another. I think their current approach is quite good. Introduce a lot of powercreep each league but don't take it over into the base game. That way there isn't much powercreep introduced as a new baseline and nerfs aren't as necessary.

Personally i'd appreciate it if they didn't change too much in terms of old character related mechanics. I don't really mind if i have to remake one or two builds every league, even if one of them get's nuked from orbit. But every time they change mana reservation for example i want to vomit because it means having to remake all 21 of my builds. If i wanted a fresh restart every 3 months i'd play league from the get go. And yeah i know #nobodycaresaboutstandard

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artjvaer wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Asking for nerfs next league is like asking the sun to rise tomorrow. Like it's going to happen anyway, it's guaranteed. You are wasting your breath asking for it. They always happen.

If you are watching the latest interviews, ggg definitely is affected by a lot of people complaining as soon as there is the fear that not everyone easily will be able to print currency and evaporate everything. So I assume you are right that some stuff will be brought in line, but I think stating that there are also players who share a lot of their perceived vision, that at least boss mechanics should matter, etc, is not necessarily a waste of anything.

I actively decide against builds like Penance Brand of Dissipation because I know how easy it is to do bosses with them. I play for the journey, not the result. It is up to the individual to set goals for themselves and how they enjoy playing the game

the major outliers are gonna get bopped again, Pbrand most likely gonna be destroyed considering its about 13ft higher than the next highest nail and we are gonna get more trans gems that will pseudo nerf some of the remaining skills (I expect)

I wouldn't expect anything drastic/major though, PoE 1 is on basic support now so i'd expect a new way to get substantial temporary power league mechanic and a difficulty level exactly where we are now.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

I actively decide against builds like Penance Brand of Dissipation because I know how easy it is to do bosses with them. I play for the journey, not the result. It is up to the individual to set goals for themselves and how they enjoy playing the game

The aim of my thread was first and foremost to just state that at least I personally prefer a more difficult game (and I'm not even someone who is cruising through all content always), just because, as written before, oftentimes in interviews or discussions one gets the impression, that a large majority of players doesn't want to forgo the power creep.

You and also Baharoth are right of course, that ultimately everyone who wants that, could just choose to only play on four links, or so, e.g., and maybe this is what people who want more difficulty just should do, but in the end, I think I cannot help but find it a bit more fun, if I have the feeling, that other people around me are struggling, too (hence my Gauntlet example from the beginning). (And by trying to plan at least parts of my builds by myself, I actually am already playing with quite some handicap. :D )

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Baharoth15 wrote:

But every time they change mana reservation for example i want to vomit because it means having to remake all 21 of my builds.
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And yeah i know #nobodycaresaboutstandard

The first point is more about general changes, I guess. Here, yes, I don't know, I like the fresh starts, but of course this is different for everyone. The mere power level shift could probably even be done without that. But reaching a point where things are necessarily difficult in standard, where people have been accumulating stuff for years is probably really impossible. It's definitely not something I had in mind when I initially wrote.

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artjvaer wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Asking for nerfs next league is like asking the sun to rise tomorrow. Like it's going to happen anyway, it's guaranteed. You are wasting your breath asking for it. They always happen.

If you are watching the latest interviews, ggg definitely is affected by a lot of people complaining as soon as there is the fear that not everyone easily will be able to print currency and evaporate everything. So I assume you are right that some stuff will be brought in line, but I think stating that there are also players who share a lot of their perceived vision, that at least boss mechanics should matter, etc, is not necessarily a waste of anything.

I actively decide against builds like Penance Brand of Dissipation because I know how easy it is to do bosses with them. I play for the journey, not the result. It is up to the individual to set goals for themselves and how they enjoy playing the game

Personally I decided against such builds, because I know for a fact GGG's gonna run them into the ground next league for how broken they are. I have a tendency to get attached to things I like playing with and ignore everything else (I started enjoying summoner builds since classic D2, that should tell you something). When I get attached to broken OP mechanics which then get nerfed, I get devastated since all the time and effort I put into honing my technique is now worthless, so I try not playing, enjoying, and getting attached to things which won't stick around.

Or, at least I try to avoid said OP mechanics. I'm still trying to kick the poison SRS build, because it outperforms literally every other summoner build all while costing a great deal less currency. I need to settle back on bad, overexpensive summoner builds again before the nerf finally hits it.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Or, at least I try to avoid said OP mechanics. I'm still trying to kick the poison SRS build, because it outperforms literally every other summoner build all while costing a great deal less currency. I need to settle back on bad, overexpensive summoner builds again before the nerf finally hits it.

If you haven't tried it yet, give BAMA a shot. I am playing it in HCSSF as an elemental Guardian right now, but in trade you can make some nice variations including poison

Also.. whatever this is

Minions are eating well this season. :D