GGG must address TFT

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jsuslak313 wrote:

I have been playing this game since the alpha. For a full HALF of that time, I used no third party software besides that old trade website. But most of my "trading" was done on THIS very forum and in the chat in-game. I learned to make builds while playing the actual game, skills that have carried into today.

I RARELY use PoB (I do use it though). I use filterblade, sure but I also know how to make my own filter in the PoE-provided way.

Hey...if you don't want to think for yourself, that's fine. I will absolutely repeat: You DO NOT NEED ANY (any, any, ANY) 3rd party software to play this game at a high level. It's laziness and lack of thought that cause people to "rely" on software and say things like some of the previous comments made.

I'll say it a 3rd time: the game gives you EVERYTHING you can possibly need to stay engaged within the game the entire time and be successful, even be successful at a mirror-tier level. The trade site here is mandatory but that's about it.


There is a WORLD of difference between "mandatory" and "useful". I will not deny that PoB, Neversink, etc. have made some EXCELLENT products. But if you knew what you were doing, you don't need either. TFT fills a hole that......doesn't really even exist in the game. It's a FAKE problem people flock around because they are obsessed with operating at 100% efficiency and speed, 100% of the time. I am perfectly fine with 90%, and I probably have a LOT more fun with the game because of it.

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furycury82 wrote:

As it stands, anyone trying to trade any Immortal Syndicate missions or crafts has no ability to do so on the POE site or its near impossible in game. Bulk trading beasts isn't possible, trying to sell services or boss kills can only be done by party creation which 90% maybe more of the community doesn't even use. I could go on and on with things that are a major part of the game that are in a trading blind spot.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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furycury82 wrote:

As it stands, anyone trying to trade any Immortal Syndicate missions or crafts has no ability to do so on the POE site or its near impossible in game. Bulk trading beasts isn't possible, trying to sell services or boss kills can only be done by party creation which 90% maybe more of the community doesn't even use. I could go on and on with things that are a major part of the game that are in a trading blind spot.

I have not once said that the game is perfect as it is. I am only stating that 3rd party software is far from mandatory.

And I would argue these are NOT a major part of the game, nor should they be! /trade 820 exists in the game for everything you might need regarding carries and things. Which btw has existed for YEARS and is the only thing I've ever needed for the few carries I've ever decided to buy. The chat is the oldest system in the game for trades and getting things done.....and yet people seem to not realize that it still exists! There are lots of bots, yes: but it is still perfectly usable. Just the other day, I converted all my currencies and sold an entire tab's worth of items solely through the chat, without ever listing any items or even interacting with poe.trade. It took SECONDS. And guess what? No frustration of people not answering me, or waiting, or leaving the game, etc. I sent out a few messages and received replies almost immediately. You just need to be somewhat aware of the values of your items to do this, which comes with game experience.

I would put money down that the VAST majority of players do NOT buy carries and instead like to play the game themselves. Otherwise....why are they even here? It's actually the rare and selective "veterans" that tend to buy carries so they can rush to full watchstones and level 100. The very same veterans that already know about /trade 820 and have personally beaten most of the bosses they receive carries for anyway. Additionally, we know from player data that less than 2% (?) of players have beaten a pinnacle boss, INCLUDING those who were carried through it. Hardly a major market....

I was never in favor of itemized Alva, itemized Harvest, itemized etc. If you want to use those things, you really should be interacting with them within the game. Having every little thing be tradeable makes the game a very boring place, in my opinion. I know there are many who disagree with this sentiment, but that's how I feel. Like chase uniques, I was always the kind of person who liked the idea of "if you want something specific(ly powerful), then YOU need to get it yourself".




Why do I care about these threads when they ultimately don't have an effect on my experience? Because I find laziness and stupidity frustrating. People complaining about non-existent issues, blaming the wrong things for their personal woes, and eventually just straight up attacking the game and the developers for their own inability to think and actually LEARN is a real problem for me on these forums.

Just to hear anyone say "PoB is MANDATORY to make a build" or "TFT is MANDATORY for trade" is just straight up disinformation and hurtful to new players trying to get into the game. PoE is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be. It's just that the "modern" PoE gamer wants everything handed to them on a silver platter without having to use their brain, or they want zoomzoom mirror tier map deleting characters with as little time and effort as possible. Just go play hacked games or drop mod games if that's what you want.

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Echothesis wrote:

TFT is an effect, not a cause.

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Echothesis wrote:

TFT is an effect, not a cause. A lesson that you cannot discourage players from having QoL by simply not making QoL and expecting everyone to just abide.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

Literally every single problem with TFT stemmed from the fact that they had a de facto monopoly on various services. Because there was zero competition in the space, they could say and do almost anything they wanted.

Now that the dam has finally burst and alternatives have been created, that monopoly is gone and the problem is already solving itself (if you don't know what I'm referring to, check the reddit). If TFT isn't 100% dead next league, they'll be well on their way, and only by completely reversing their pattern of antisocial behavior do they have any possible hope of maintaining a sliver of their influence going forward.

Why would GGG bother getting involved in this? It's a community problem with community solutions, and at no point did it change the fact that players who are able to clear content have never had trouble sourcing items for their builds.