Gladiator ascendency is very lacking

You are being overtly hostile there. It was a throwaway remark that summarises the problem perfectly, very few people have a "hate boner" for gladiator they want to play it but can't find a reason to do so aside from being a hipster.

It is kinda sad that Necro/guardian is the block ascendancy now.

it isn't that glad is bad, but what made glad unique is done better on other ascendancies.

and to be extremely fair, bleed bow still is an extremely fun build. one dimensional, but has really solid clear and boss dps. All it really needs is that old elder mod to give the 2.5x damage boost or whatever again and it will be competitive with any meta setup with similar levels of investment.

With the changes to RF, I would tell new players to play bleed bow, not because it is easy or busted, but gearing is straightforward, the gem setup doesn't have offcolors, snipe feels good when it isn't bugged, split arrow clears maps. Decent avenues to go into low end MF or do some high investment stuff and still be tanky.
Also phys bows are the most crafted item currently, so plenty of good "cheap" options since with assailum you only need 1 6link.

he needs a unique niche or just number adjustments. Ideally all the points should be so good it would be hard not to take them. In terms of game design it is better to have all good options instead of 2 or three extremely powerful ones and 10 really mediocre or bad ones.

Glad almost feels like a wildwood ascendancy at this point.

Glad do something with melee strike range, or having block be on every weapon (scale block chance with some useful stat for both bows and melee phys people.)

Maybe Glad could get attack totem nodes, stuff like the activation range, stuff that was removed from chieftain.

Maybe put challenger charges on the tree and replace it with something build defining, or give glad like free projectile forking? and let the forks bounce back to original targets, something that would hella buff steel skills but not impale.

hell at this point I would take 50% damage recoup as a node, or a ascendancy notable that gives a chance to survive killing blows. Anything.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

You are being overtly hostile there. It was a throwaway remark that summarises the problem perfectly, very few people have a "hate boner" for gladiator they want to play it but can't find a reason to do so aside from being a hipster.

That's exactly it. Every season I check if there's anything new with the class that might be worth pursuing but any which way I look at it, another ascendancy does it better, and so I don't bother.

Let's see if he puts his money where his mouth is and actually delivers. I doubt it, but I am happy to be convinced otherwise.

Glad has only ever had two niches

it was the general mapping king for the lowest budget when 75/75 block was trivial to get.

It was the bleedsplosion guy when bleed wasn't dumpster prior to the elder weapon nerf and general power creep everywhere else.

When it was reworked glad lost both of those, high block became expensive and bleeds just rubbish so there isn't anything left there it really is just better to be somebody else for anything even block or bleed.

gladiator is bad, this is a fact.

blind? blind is great. but it is trivial to get on any other ascendancy - there are plethora of sources available. Gladiator needs one, otherwise useless, ascendancy point. there is no blind effect, no synergy. it is just yet another blind source. whoopiedoo

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Sure, Champion and Slayer can get Lucky damage and use the Volatilty gem, but HOW do they do that? They equip a Perquil's Toe or a Triumvirate Authority or a Voice of the Storm and pidgenhole themselves into a specific niche or deal with some other downside.

they use flesh/flame. 100c for a pair. one of the cheapest flesh/flame jewels out there. for a reason.

and there is a problem with lucky + ryslatha + volatility. while it is good for bleeds, and the average damage (dps) goes up, it feels as if significant part of your hits deal no damage. it is like 10% crit, 1000% crit multi. the average damage is 'ok' but there are sad streaks of wet noodle bashing. it just isnt fun

low variance damage sources in games like POE are better than spiked delivery


and why people who havent played Gladiator are singing praises for him? like wut?

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

You are being overtly hostile there. It was a throwaway remark that summarises the problem perfectly, very few people have a "hate boner" for gladiator they want to play it but can't find a reason to do so aside from being a hipster.

That's exactly it. Every season I check if there's anything new with the class that might be worth pursuing but any which way I look at it, another ascendancy does it better, and so I don't bother.

Let's see if he puts his money where his mouth is and actually delivers. I doubt it, but I am happy to be convinced otherwise.

Agree wity the part of always checking and hoping for gladiator buffs, one of my dreams its gim being reworked expanding dual wielding and on the challenger chatges so i can make a fun build with hollow palm with him, because i took to long to make a block hollow palm when the 75/75 still existed

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XCodesLIVE wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Gladiator guides aren't easy to make because they are better as slayer or champ :p

I see I was mistaken, I thought this was a forum for discussion, but it's just everyone comparing hate-boners for Gladiator and GGG. I'm going to go play the game. I've rolled enough alts this league but I'll roll a Gladiator for the next one. You know what will happen then? I'll enjoy the fucking game. Imagine that!

I'm still waiting for the Gladiator build *that does something better than another ascendancy would

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ArtCrusade wrote:

I'm still waiting for the viable Gladiator build

I might rephrase that....there are PLENTY of "viable" gladiator builds. The problem isn't viability. The problem is every other class does it better!

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jsuslak313 wrote:

I might rephrase that....there are PLENTY of "viable" gladiator builds. The problem isn't viability. The problem is every other class does it better!

Thanks, I corrected it before goalposts are moved. Was just an off the cuff reply when I saw him posting elsewhere but not responding here

I'm not going to weigh in on the discussion around gladiator from personal experience. The last time I played gladiator, it had real block power and synergy coming for the block power.

However, I did find a build guide for bleed with gladiator when I was looking up starters and with a bow using split arrow and puncture. It was using volatility and sadism and I think rhyslatha's belt.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3320348is the guide I found when I was searching.

In the guide it pretty much recommends what a lot of people here have been saying: Use gladiator while on a budget and switch to Champion with forbidden on Gratuitous Violence.