Gladiator ascendency is very lacking

^lol we said pretty much the exact same thing at the same time.

I am not sure why you're so dramatic, just look into the ascendancies better and you'll see you're barely correct about what you say. The ascendancies are good and the Gladiator is good. The Gladiator's relation to the physical damage is what makes it bad not because of the ascendancies alone but because of the pure physical damage builds in general - you said it - it is better for any class to convert physical to something than playing pure physical. And the bleed mechanic performance in addition to the above.

According to basic logic and game knowledge, the only defense that can go above 90% is Evasion (95%). Any abuses on reaching above 90% Attack or Spell block are to be fixed soon enough - I heard about making a build with over 90% block but it's ridiculous. I would expect the max spell and/or attack block to be capped at 95% since the outcome is literally the same as the Evasion.

Also, the Necromancer don't get any maximum attack or spell block. But yea, Necro can easily scale up attack AND spell block through offerings - just not Max block.

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fostaa wrote:

I am not sure why you're so dramatic, just look into the ascendancies better and you'll see you're barely correct about what you say. The ascendancies are good and the Gladiator is good. The Gladiator's relation to the physical damage is what makes it bad not because of the ascendancies alone but because of the pure physical damage builds in general - you said it - it is better for any class to convert physical to something than playing pure physical. And the bleed mechanic performance in addition to the above.

I'M the one who's barely correct?! Okay....seriously I'm done with this. When you are the ONLY one saying one thing and EVERYONE ELSE is telling you that its wrong, with examples AND builds maybe that's a clue? When even the game statistics don't support anything you say. When the actual math doesn't support what you say. Yes, I'm dramatic because this is infuriating! I can't even believe this debate is still happening...

I wash my hands of this. You have fallen hard for every bait that Gladiator has to offer, without understanding the true in-game implications of any of it.

Bleed gladiator was a build used by 3% of the players for one league, it was expensive but could do most content, for the crime of being a melee class that players actually used it was GUTTED, as in after they were done with it the character had 10% of the damage.

GGG hate melee, they always have and probably always will.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

"Hype" has EVERYTHING to do with "Power": they are completely intertwined. You can't hype something that doesn't perform.

This statement is only half-true. I've played and created off-meta builds strong enough and cheap enough with over 50-80-100m dps and desirable EHP that can erase bosses or others that have super high map clear efficiency. But they are not famous of course - I made them. As a matter of fact I do not remember ever playing a meta build..

Your profile is public champ.
Aura stacker: Meta
Spiders: meta
Darkpact: meta
Bladeblast coc: meta
Explosive concoction: meta
Zombies: meta
Void flicker: Meta
You do not actually have a single character on your account that was not meta at some stage, and you stripped and abandoned your gladiator at lvl 82.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

Volatility plus Lucky Hits. Wonderful! This is an excellent interaction. You know who else can use this at will? Champion and Slayer classes!

This is a farcical comparison. Sure, Champion and Slayer can get Lucky damage and use the Volatilty gem, but HOW do they do that? They equip a Perquil's Toe or a Triumvirate Authority or a Voice of the Storm and pidgenhole themselves into a specific niche or deal with some other downside. The Gladiator allocates two passives and he's done, and he gets to use whatever Amulet or Ring or whatever else he wants to.

In all seriousness, compare that to other arguments. Look at Overwhelm! Overwhelm is so bad! You can just roll a melee weapon with Crit and use the Increased Critical Damage support! Right? That's how your argument here works.

Do you know why the Gladiator is less popular than the Champion and Slayer this league? Because the people who write guides aren't writing Gladiator guides for three reasons:

1) They're writing Slayer guides because they want to use Masterful Form with Ralakesh's Impatience because Ralakesh's Impatience is a really fucking stupid pair of boots that shouldn't be in the game and it's a free pass to high damage and tankiness with whatever stupid skill you want to use, and then you get free YouTube clicks posting a title like "MILLION BILLION DPS [insert skill here] SLAYER LEAGUE STARTER 3.23" and you don't even have to show any gameplay of the actual character, it's just an hour staring at Path of Building, and people follow that guide because a hell of a lot of players don't actually want to deal with all the stupid character building shit and they just want to pick a skill that looks fun and go.

2) They're writing Champion guides because they get to ignore tons of mechanics. They just get permanent Fortification and don't have to interact with the Fortify Support, they get Worthy Foe and don't interact with Accuracy, or sometimes they get 30% Aura Effect and just use Auras as a crutch for whatever bullshit they're doing. All of this shit is entirely replaceable by gear or even just building decently on the tree, but lazily deleting the mechanics from the game is just easier.

3) They're NOT writing Gladiator Guides because then they'd have to explain how Blind works and how it makes it so the Gladiator doesn't need to invest significantly in Accuracy. They'd have to explain Main Hand/Off Hand mechanics. They'd have to explain Volatility + Lucky. They'd have to explain Damage over Time scaling. They'd have to explain corpse booms and how to scale them. Nevermind that it's actually really easy to actually play because you just equip plain good rares and go kill shit because the Ascendancy is doing all the heavy lifting in terms of the niche shit you normally need Uniques for. But that's not going to get you a "MILLION BILLION DPS" screenshot of Path of Building.

So Gladiator is only considered bad, because there's a grand conspiracy of build creators gatekeeping the knowledge about the ascendancy?

Is that why there's not a single Gladiator on your profile?

Excuse the fuck out of me for deleting characters and reusing names?

Also, who is claiming there's any kind of grand conspiracy? What I'm saying here is really fucking simple so maybe try actually reading it instead of putting words in my mouth:

1) Slayer guides are easy to make look better than they are.

2) Champion guides are easy to make because they're really simple.

3) Gladiator guides are NOT easy to make because they've got a lot of shit going on.

In accordance with the 3 above rules, YouTubers make guides for Slayer and Champion and not for Gladiator, and then the vast majority of the PoE playerbase that just follows guides and doesn't engage with the character building part of the game just follows the Slayer and Champion guides.

There's no conspiracy, it's just the fucking economy.

Gladiator guides aren't easy to make because they are better as slayer or champ :p

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Gladiator guides aren't easy to make because they are better as slayer or champ :p

I see I was mistaken, I thought this was a forum for discussion, but it's just everyone comparing hate-boners for Gladiator and GGG. I'm going to go play the game. I've rolled enough alts this league but I'll roll a Gladiator for the next one. You know what will happen then? I'll enjoy the fucking game. Imagine that!

Or maybe Gladiator is just worse in general while Champion offers a lot of good shit for many builds, making it far more flexible?

And mind you, there are build guides on Youtube for Gladiator. JayTX has been keeping his bleed bow glad build alive for a while already. But even he says that past a point of investment, Champion is better than bleed Gladiator.

Also.. how do you not notice the cognitive dissonance between these two statements:

- Gladiator is the best melee ascendancy
- There are almost no Gladiator build guides because they are hard to make

I mean, more power to you my friend. Don't keep your secrets and release some guides on Gladiator. Make it popular again! After all Gladiator is the best melee ascendancy, right?