I wonder if we need a lower level maven fight to get the voidstone

Hey there,

I've played this game for a while, but very technical boss fights like maven give me trouble. I have trouble either managing the arena and the dot pools that build up, or i fail the memory game, before i know it im out of portals. For getting the void stone to have a larger variety of t16 maps to farm, i wonder if we could get an easier version of this fight, similar to how we have them for Eater of Worlds & Searing Exarch to get the void stones.

I think the problem is it won't help. The actual raw numbers you need to beat Maven vs. quest Eater/Exarch is not that different. When my character is strong enough for the first 2 stones, I'm more than strong enough for Maven. What's killing you is not learning the mechanics, not the raw stats.

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TemjinGold wrote:

I think the problem is it won't help. The actual raw numbers you need to beat Maven vs. quest Eater/Exarch is not that different. When my character is strong enough for the first 2 stones, I'm more than strong enough for Maven. What's killing you is not learning the mechanics, not the raw stats.

You might be right, but i think lower numbers would mean i wouldnt need as much investment to pull it off. I have done it deathless when ive done it on a stronger build. Maybe the mechanics could be toned down in terms of frequency or something then? I also dont want to shun away the difficulty it has for people wanting to chase drops

Two advices that might help.

Always gather the degen in the middle of the arena where the brain settles down. It's by far the best place for it.

Leaving aside the first phase against maven, starting after the first brain phase, if you die to anything, just stay down and wait till she starts the memory game. Then resurrect and wait out the ongoing memory game with your grace period. Memory game has a 60 second cooldown so after it's finished you have a full minute to damage her.

If you maximize that, even if your mechanics and dps are low, you should be able to make it through in 6 portals.

Lower level Maven wouldn't solve anything.

The problems that MOST people have with Maven are the memory game and the degen puddles. Regardless of "level", the memory game HAS to be a 1hko in 99% of cases otherwise there'd be no point in having it. If you could survive the hit and regen immediately...why would anyone even attempt the memory challenge? The degen are perfectly fine on their own (nothing like Sirus cloud degen....), its just the stacking over time that gets to be a problem. And that's more a learning curve than a difficulty thing.

Beyond those "learning" things, Maven itself isn't hard at all. Boss doesn't hit all that hard, nor does it have hp levels far above any other equivalent boss. In fact, it has less than most.

The biggest problem with the Maven fight is the entry cost. To get 10 splinters takes is kind of painful unless you do 80% quant maven boss fights like twisted, formed, elderslayers.

I would add though even if they have similar health, the searing Exarch and Eater of Worlds will forgive you for having a lower dps due to less complex mechanics, especially Eater of Worlds.

Maybe a story pass that repeats after you finish a 10 boss invitation could work after witnessing the next boss.

There's a lot of stuff happening in the Maven fight. I gave it a shot and I did get to the first brain phase and then things went south. Then to get another 10 splinters is a pain.

If the maven's writ would at least respawn, I would have used all the portals instead of giving up and probably persisted.

Maven is three to four times harder than the Searing Exarch.

Yup, even though I have more than enough damage to trivialize the fight I still consistently die during the memory game because I simply can't give a fuck.

Should just can the fight altogether. Worst pinnacle boss fight since 2013, both thematically and gameplay wise. [Removed by Support]

I think Maven is pretty great as a boss tbh she is just heavy on the mechanical difficulty and very light on the actual stats requirement side.

Its pretty trivial to make a character that can't die to her attacks for example then all you actually have to focus on is the arena and the memory game.

I'm kinda on the fence on whether there should be a lower level fight or not though, firstly I don't think shes any harder than uber elder, nor do players need all the voidstones and the constant mentality that just because they buff the atlas they should be easy to get frustrates me.

I do agree the entry requirements are too high though, especially when in the grand scheme of things all but the 10-way are probably harder fights than Maven herself. The 10 way needs a way to organically complete its requirements by just leaving Maven influence on and should award 2 splinters base IMO the others should give 5 ~

One thing unusual about Maven access specifically is it scales with difficulty AFAIK which is the opposite to all the others. You just run Exarch maps to get exarch, whether its a corrupted 8 mod or a white you still get 1 per map.

Come on, the only mechanically demanding part of that fight is getting to Maven without getting hit by the beams in the last phase within the ~2-3 second window before she jumps to the opposite end of the arena from you.

Rest of the fight is just copypasted bits of Shaper/Elder/Sirus mechanics with added screen vomit to make it intentionally confusing.


A monkey can deal with the "mechanics" of that fight with a few practice tries and GGG knows it; fight's grind gated to hell simply to prevent every normie player from easily learning and stomping it...