I wonder if we need a lower level maven fight to get the voidstone

That's why we have "Destructive Play" as a new keystone (more guardian maps), making access to Maven take a shorter time than Eater/Exarch.

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Scarletsword wrote:

That's why we have "Destructive Play" as a new keystone (more guardian maps), making access to Maven take a shorter time than Eater/Exarch.

I am using destructive play, but that's 2 splinters every 10 maps which is pretty weak.

It's also not as strong as you think it is. It's not bad, but it's not at the point where you're constantly gaining a conqueror's, shaper/elder/synth map either.

You need to combine destructive play with the proper league mechanic - delirium. If you are strong enough to blitz the map and beat the multiple bosses at the end while delirious you'll not only have a good chance of getting a guardian map (assuming you specced into higher chance) but also a ton of splinters and delirium orbs. Delirium + Maven is actually a legitimate way to play and the best part - it doesn't require any sextant/scarab investment.

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TemjinGold wrote:

I think the problem is it won't help. The actual raw numbers you need to beat Maven vs. quest Eater/Exarch is not that different. When my character is strong enough for the first 2 stones, I'm more than strong enough for Maven. What's killing you is not learning the mechanics, not the raw stats.

Pretty sure Eater/Exarch are way more easy than Maven

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Slicer9875 wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

That's why we have "Destructive Play" as a new keystone (more guardian maps), making access to Maven take a shorter time than Eater/Exarch.

I am using destructive play, but that's 2 splinters every 10 maps which is pretty weak.

It's also not as strong as you think it is. It's not bad, but it's not at the point where you're constantly gaining a conqueror's, shaper/elder/synth map either.

The entire point of Destructive Play are guardian maps. You can almost sustain rotating guardian invitations. The keystone is in fact that strong which cuts it down to below 20 maps and 2 invitations while providing you with elder, shaper and sirus sets.

Also not only is there a silly amount of videos out there clearly showcasing it, I'm 200+ selffarmed feared sets in with another 100 almost ready to go. This isn't me just thinking it's strong.

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neohongkong wrote:

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TemjinGold wrote:

I think the problem is it won't help. The actual raw numbers you need to beat Maven vs. quest Eater/Exarch is not that different. When my character is strong enough for the first 2 stones, I'm more than strong enough for Maven. What's killing you is not learning the mechanics, not the raw stats.

Pretty sure Eater/Exarch are way more easy than Maven

If you don't know Maven mechanics, yes. If you are good at the mechanics, no because Maven does pathetic damage and has very low life.

If you are so bad at the fight that the only way to win is to insta-phase Maven, then yes, the other 2 are easier.

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Scarletsword wrote:

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Slicer9875 wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

That's why we have "Destructive Play" as a new keystone (more guardian maps), making access to Maven take a shorter time than Eater/Exarch.

I am using destructive play, but that's 2 splinters every 10 maps which is pretty weak.

It's also not as strong as you think it is. It's not bad, but it's not at the point where you're constantly gaining a conqueror's, shaper/elder/synth map either.

The entire point of Destructive Play are guardian maps. You can almost sustain rotating guardian invitations. The keystone is in fact that strong which cuts it down to below 20 maps and 2 invitations while providing you with elder, shaper and sirus sets.

Also not only is there a silly amount of videos out there clearly showcasing it, I'm 200+ selffarmed feared sets in with another 100 almost ready to go. This isn't me just thinking it's strong.

Ok, I understand now. What you are saying is that special boss maven invitations is the main point of destructive play and if you aren't running those or are not strong enough, there isn't as much value in destructive play other than acquiring special maps.

I will also look into the delirium strat suggested by Johnny. I think as soon as I finish the essence challenge, that is what I will respec to if I feel strong enough.

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TemjinGold wrote:

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neohongkong wrote:

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TemjinGold wrote:

I think the problem is it won't help. The actual raw numbers you need to beat Maven vs. quest Eater/Exarch is not that different. When my character is strong enough for the first 2 stones, I'm more than strong enough for Maven. What's killing you is not learning the mechanics, not the raw stats.

Pretty sure Eater/Exarch are way more easy than Maven

If you don't know Maven mechanics, yes. If you are good at the mechanics, no because Maven does pathetic damage and has very low life.

If you are so bad at the fight that the only way to win is to insta-phase Maven, then yes, the other 2 are easier.

Eater/Exarch does not hate specific build.

Quest version of Eater/Exarch are dumb level difficulty. Just need to avoid ball phase or know how to step on the "thing"

While Maven. Good luck on keeping regen or minion alive....


For life. Probably not. Maven is not that "low" life

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neohongkong wrote:

For life. Probably not. Maven is not that "low" life

Maven = 51 million life
Sirus = 70 million
Shaper = almost 75 million
Elder = 46 million

Comparatively, Maven is absolutely "low" life. 33% less life than the Shaper. I didn't realize the Elder was so low though. This is especially true when you take into account the insane amounts of power creep that have developed between the Shaper to Sirus, and finally to the Maven fight. We have gotten multiple magnitudes stronger on average, and still the new boss has 33% less life than a boss introduced a lifetime ago. I am aware that Shaper's life pool was raised at some point, but I don't remember it being a huge change or anything.

I guess we don't have stats for the Eater or Exarch to compare though.

Shapers life boost was really significant but i'm not sure using an absolute value for Maven's health really helps anything as we have to kill her like 11 times and have a bunch of brain phases.

Shaper has a big pool sure and he heals a little bit of it but realistically the number is the number.

Exarch has 42mil and Eater has 41mil for reference.

Basically if you total how much damage you have to do in the fight Mavens going to be #1, though Exarch and Eater can be modded obviously which can put them far higher (and also why their base values are so tame)