Cross trading Policy between HC trade and Standard
" a percentage of Hardcore temp league players are known to try to trade-back to recover losses but also use the gamemode entirely for farming items early to sell in standard before the league closes and people who naturally return to standard are on an uneven playing field. This exploit encourages it to continue forever. Innocence forgives you
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All i'm asking (and many hc trade players) is that our items get to standard only when temporary league ends, regardless of character death and that GGG choose the best way to do that, which could range from literally voiding the chars until the mass migration or by just transfering them naked instantly and everything else on remove only tabs later on.
It's unfair for such a small economy to compete with standard's demands from the moment the temporary league starts, so just match SC temporary league's condition for item migration which is when league ends. If you want to farm on temporary leagues for your standard account, It should happen the same as if you were playing SC temp league which is: you have 3 months to farm whatever you want before it gets to standard. Purposedly ripping items to standard is not only detrimental to the economy but an unfair advantage compared to playing SC temp league which has to wait until league is over to migrate their items. Then again, i just want GGG to apply same conditions for both hc/sc for their items to get to standard. |
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Exploit could be fixed by simply enforcing HC model and make characters dead when they die
Why GGG decided to make a HC mode where dead characters are still around is the real question |
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" Idk, Minecraft level difficulty might be too much :P Innocence forgives you
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I couldnt agree more, the moment you create a hardcore character you should be fine with the idea of losing it on death, the character still existing in standard makes no sense on the hardcore point of view. I know some games just put a tag that you lose once you die but you can keep playing your character but i've always had higher standards for PoE since its a much more challenging and complex game than most.
Dont want to lose your character? Dont play Hc. |
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" The problem is, as long as they farm currency in HC temp league first to get the item, there is no problem at all. They will not resell the item anyway, so that by accident they die and mule item to Standard, compare to they hoard the item until the league end, the market is still dry up of desirable item pretty soon. You may blame people not place a high price tag on item instead . ( For example, i bought a lot of Replica unique in Heist league SC as flipper. You are amazed that people want ex and c so bad but never realize the game always in hyper inflation so that hoarding valuable item to flip (or store of value) is the real way to be rich in-game. Especially a pattern of Scourge no core, Sentinel no core, Lake no core, Sanctum temporary not in core, Crucible no in core, etc) What a breach is someone pay them currency in Standard league in advance, and the seller die intentionally to mule the item to Standard (or whatever discord high social status which the seller willing to rip item from HC (which has resell value in HC) without adv payment) You should instead suggest it should not be allowed to sell these league-exclusive items in perma league, before the temp league end. But muling item by itself and for example, self-use eventually in Standard, is not qualify as a breach of cross-trading. (or just like Ultimatum league, disable itemized Ultimatum (Trials) be able to use in Standard. Pretty sure they can somehow disable the use of some (or may be all) league-exclusive items in permanent leagues) This is the start of forum signature: I am not a GGG employee. About the username: Did you know Kowloon Gundam is made in Neo Hong Kong? quote from the first page: "Please post one thread per issue, and check the forum for similar posts first" This is the end of forum signature Last edited by neohongkong#0222 on Sep 29, 2023, 5:16:09 PM
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Also, the original point of HC rip to Standard instead of SC temp league, is prevent item leaking. It is prevent people are bored in HC and mule their whole build to SC temp league to gave them advantage in SC.
But at the same time this of course shoot the devs themselves by cross trading between temp leagues always allowed, just a bit risker than muling item by players themselves. Change back to rip to SC temp league, may just led to a lot of items leaking from HC, due to people want to finish 40/40 so bad to try their luck in SC. So that whatever implementation, led to price increase in HC. Just HC permanent leagues gaming population died , or people are there and will pay even more than in Standard league to acquire league-exclusive item, then it still led to the same outcome. People hoard item to resell in permanent leagues, either muling to Standard in mid of the league , or after the league end and sell in HC perma league. You should blame people selling item so cheap in HC temp league, due to my listing of these scenarios This is the start of forum signature: I am not a GGG employee. About the username: Did you know Kowloon Gundam is made in Neo Hong Kong? quote from the first page: "Please post one thread per issue, and check the forum for similar posts first" This is the end of forum signature Last edited by neohongkong#0222 on Sep 29, 2023, 5:20:42 PM
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Our items should be deleted when we die on HC, that being said this is an incredibly minor problem reserved almost entirely for league specific items in the rare circumstance of a league specific item that is desirable for standard and for some reason they can't wait.
I don't even think it happened to any great degree with original sin, most "specific" drops in HC are hard enough to farm that they don't get side shuffled. We weren't awash with players farming original sin barely any entered the system in the first place. Now flip this round real quick, how much do you think an original sin would cost on HC to begin with? Its basically a name your price item anyway it impacts HC trade in an unbelievably tiny way - i'll give you the benefit of the doubt OP and assume you could get the rice together to afford one but you are in an extreme minority, and players on HC in that minority can usually get one anyway. I'm not really against what you are saying either I just think its an extremely minor problem. Standard players will probably be less happy if they can't "smuggle" league content into standard straight away so you have to factor that in too. Like i say i'd delete the lot though, no transfers. |
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" Which standard players exactly? the whales? what would the 0.1% of the standard playerbase do if they didn't have this exploit to feed them? Probably get over it and buy the best ones when everyone shows up at the same time to sell off their hard earned treasures at the end of the temp league. Innocence forgives you Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Sep 29, 2023, 6:16:32 PM
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" uhh... what? Prevent item leak? By enabling transfer of temporary content to the permanent enviroment??? Why the items even still exists after the HC death??? Just making the obvious and deleting the character would prevent any kind of "leak" What do people who are bored of HC even matter? They have to start anew when moving tro a new league, just as it is pretty much everywhere, that would not change a bit if the characters were dead after death Why a HARDCORE character chould move anywhere that is not the void of deleted content??? Isnt that the whole friggin point of "hardcore"? |
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