Make standard characters matter!

I think it's important to underline why people like the league over standard.

It's not just the new mechanics. It's the fresh economy. Standard is bloated to hell with items that they can't get, by players they can't trade with because they also don't play anymore, at costs of currency that they can't afford. Especially new players. No one is incentivized to play with people who've stacked legacy uniques and mirror gear that can't even be made anymore.

You wanna know what I was greeted with in town when i made a character to save my name. I figured i'd go to lionseye in standard. It was a massive statue of a player with all the expensive MTX and every item that increases maximum size. A reminder that I can't attain most of what that person has. Never really happens in a league.

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Sukhoi_01 wrote:

I think it's important to underline why people like the league over standard.

It's not just the new mechanics. It's the fresh economy. Standard is bloated to hell with items that they can't get, by players they can't trade with because they also don't play anymore, at costs of currency that they can't afford. Especially new players. No one is incentivized to play with people who've stacked legacy uniques and mirror gear that can't even be made anymore.

You wanna know what I was greeted with in town when i made a character to save my name. I figured i'd go to lionseye in standard. It was a massive statue of a player with all the expensive MTX and every item that increases maximum size. A reminder that I can't attain most of what that person has. Never really happens in a league.

You cant be serious with that comment "I think it's important to underline why people like the league over standard" No it's not, this is a thread about standard.

Its like a hardcore player coming into this thread and saying "I think it's important to underline why people like Hardcore over Standard"

Please spare the thread if you have nothing constructive to contribute (constructive being not any multitude of reasons that standard doesn't matter)

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Sukhoi_01 wrote:

I think it's important to underline why people like the league over standard.

It's not just the new mechanics. It's the fresh economy. Standard is bloated to hell with items that they can't get, by players they can't trade with because they also don't play anymore, at costs of currency that they can't afford. Especially new players. No one is incentivized to play with people who've stacked legacy uniques and mirror gear that can't even be made anymore.

You wanna know what I was greeted with in town when i made a character to save my name. I figured i'd go to lionseye in standard. It was a massive statue of a player with all the expensive MTX and every item that increases maximum size. A reminder that I can't attain most of what that person has. Never really happens in a league.

Temp league economy also has one definitive feature: it is racing like crazy. If you play league and wish to use economy (e.g. trade), you must fully surrender your time to it, and farm stuff to sell faster than prices will grow on all stuff to buy.

I am sincerely glad for people who have that much time on their hands, to grind through same leveling process when GGG decides, and for however long GGG decides. But please don't be so surprised there are people who prefer to play at their own pace.

If there would be no Reward MTX in league, watch playernumbers drop there significantly.

Also those who care about a fresh economy and not care about standard, what is the point of amassing all that wealth?

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Reinhart wrote:

If there would be no Reward MTX in league, watch playernumbers drop there significantly.

Also those who care about a fresh economy and not care about standard, what is the point of amassing all that wealth?

the same point in playing the leagues, its all one boat exile.

its kind of the point, gotta keep the whole ship tip top not just the deck.

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Echothesis wrote:

Temp league economy also has one definitive feature: it is racing like crazy. If you play league and wish to use economy (e.g. trade), you must fully surrender your time to it, and farm stuff to sell faster than prices will grow on all stuff to buy.

i feel like you misunderstand league economy vs standard.

You're never going to get the rest of the playerbase to want to play standard and if they start allowing people to take their standard characters to league the game will suffer for 2% of the population. if you like standard fine but don't be surprised when people disagree with you because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why the vast majority of the playerbase never set foot in standard.

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Sukhoi_01 wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

Temp league economy also has one definitive feature: it is racing like crazy. If you play league and wish to use economy (e.g. trade), you must fully surrender your time to it, and farm stuff to sell faster than prices will grow on all stuff to buy.

i feel like you misunderstand league economy vs standard.

You're never going to get the rest of the playerbase to want to play standard and if they start allowing people to take their standard characters to league the game will suffer for 2% of the population. if you like standard fine but don't be surprised when people disagree with you because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why the vast majority of the playerbase never set foot in standard.

The op's request was never likely going to happen, Did you take it seriously?

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Sukhoi_01 wrote:

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You're never going to get the rest of the playerbase to want to play standard
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Never was my goal, Innocence forbid :)

All I ever ranted about was adding more options to Standard without downplaying other player strats. Although particular suggestion in OP of this thread in unorthodox, and will probably look like downplaying/invading for 99% temp players, even though all they would actually "lose" from its hypothetical realization (with disabled loot migration as I said above) would be their hubris.

What is so terrible in letting someone try league mechanics with his old character if he won't get any permanent loot or challenge rewards/badges from it? Especially if supposedly so few people use standard characters at all, as you were saying here. Are you sure you are not trying to just brush off everything foreign and downplay other strats?

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Sukhoi_01 wrote:

gue. And that's a much more accurate slice of where the game's population play. I'm willing to bet at the start of any given league the number of people playing standard is low single digits.

nah there really is a lot of people playing standard. chris said that even in their worst performing leagues theres multiple millions of people who will create a char and play in that league. compared to millions of people the amount of tiny, but even 1% of a million players is 10,000 people.

i just signed into standard and turned on chat for a few seconds and counted 17 different names talking right now within the space of literally a few seconds.

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Sukhoi_01 wrote:

I think it's important to underline why people like the league over standard.

It's not just the new mechanics. It's the fresh economy. Standard is bloated to hell with items that they can't get, by players they can't trade with because they also don't play anymore, at costs of currency that they can't afford. Especially new players. No one is incentivized to play with people who've stacked legacy uniques and mirror gear that can't even be made anymore.

sure. but what u also got to keep in mind with that is the vast majority of players never trade. ggg have stated this multiple times, most people never trade at all, theyre just off in their own little ssf world. theyre not in ssf league, they load up the normal game, they just never trade.

they have said of the minority of people who do trade most of them make 2 or 3 trades in the space of a 3 month league. so its they buy a goldrim to fix their resists in act6, and then a week later they exchange 15 of their chaos for jewellers to 6 socket their armour, and then a few days later they buy a ring with 40 life and 2 resists for 2 chaos orbs to fix their endgame resist setup. and thats it, thats all the trading they do. you can do that in standard any day of the week for the same kind of price as the league.


so people who actually trade in the way you are talking about, who care about an economy and want a fresh economy, those are a minority of a minority, just like the long term standard players. its probably more people than the long term standard players, and its still a lot of people, but its a comparatively small amount against the full active player base.



since i signed on to count the players i could see in global, the amount of time its taken to type a few paragraphs ive made 8 divines and 140 chaos selling items from whispers in standard, and were what? a couple of hours into the new league?

if i hang around in standard, leave my pc running and just stand in my hideout i make around 15-40 divines per day pretty much every day in standard. the amount of people who regularly trade are a minority of a minority, but even among them there is still a minority of those who do so in standard where the economy is still functioning. its different but its functioning. i can craft items to sell in standard all day and make a mirror every 3 weeks or so if i really want to put the time in, without ever running content myself just full hideout warrior, tht wouldnt be possible if there wasnt a functioning active economy with a lot of people involved in it.


the game is 10 years old, everyone whos been here for years has legacy items. so yes, legacy items in the economy, but people have those items, like playing with their legacy items, can sell them and buy other legacy items. all these things are a reason to play league for some and a reason to play standard for others.






most people just dont trade at all, ever. they will play a league for the new content, but really it doesnt matter much the game is so full of content. theyre just playing in their own little world by themselves and they could be in league, standard, tradecore, ssf, a private league, it literally doesnt matter because for them the entire game is them in their hideout running maps. there are a section of those people who just ignore leagues and keep playing the game by themselves in standard.

when i play ins tandard i hang in global 2 with all the g2 regulars, theres tons of them, and ever day theres new players in g2 who have been playing for a few days asking questions and they dont even know what a league is or why they should play in it.

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Padydk wrote:

I may be a sensitive person, but feelings about a game matter a lot, and If i feel that I am playing a singleplayer game, because no one else plays it, then I am quitting.
Right now I feel, that every character I make, die, and all my effort and progress is for nothing. Because I don't feel like I play 'with' the community when playing standard.

thats fair. there is a community in standard, if you go into the global chat channels u can see them. i know dozens of people purely from having global 2 open sometimes when i play and weve all been in g2 for years, sometimes people go missing for a year and come back. its a long term thing. but its got a community.


i get that you want to be with the big community tho, thats fair enough. id say the big community isnt so big in the second half of a league, and its not my decision to make either way you are perfectly entitled to your feedbak to the devs. but my feeling is that theres a reason there is a fresh league, and having anything from standard aside cosmetics come into it defeats the whole point of the thing. but thats just my take too, and i do understand where you are coming from, i can empathise with it.