Name Shaming
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The simple way to avoid that is to not have a no-revocation policy. Normally when people's false claims are exposed they go into damage control, which includes scrubbing any evidence that they made a false claim in the first place.
There's a board for cross-league trading now, which isn't exactly supported. A disclaimer basically saying "We have nothing to do with this, and are not responsible for anything here" seems to be enough. Why not do the same here? Especially now, since you are hosting a board to facilitate trades where your existing anti-scam mechanics are useless. I don't think it's much of a stretch to expect people to evaluate accusations of fraud themselves, when people are already expected to be smart and astute enough to not get scammed in the first place. |
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" The main difference is that there are mechanics coded into the game that prevent people from getting scammed. You have to mouseover an item before it will allow you to click 'accept' in trade. When mousing over an item, it displays ALL info about the item. There is no such mechanic you could code into the game or forums to assist players in evaluating accusations of fraud. The difference is that people *aren't* expected to be smart and astute enough to not get scammed, else the safeguards wouldn't be hard coded into the game. They are clearly expecting people to be dumb and try to help them overcome that by forcing them to look at what they're trading for. However, as you can see by all the people still getting scammed that even when they're forced to read what the item is they're still not smart enough to avoid getting scammed. As such, my faith in people's ability to be smart enough to evaluate accusations of fraud is non-existent. Please familiarize yourself with the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory (GIFT) - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
Realize that the only part of the equation you can affect in the GIFT is the audience. Remove the audience and the trolls merely rant at the air. |
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" Quoted for Great Justice. Alteration Orb Union Local #7
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" You have to admit though, having a policy that actively obfuscates potentially important information about griefers and scammers is functionally similar to promoting this activity. When someone makes a thread saying "hey guys, so-and-so is using explosive arrow + elemental proliferation + conversion trap to kill high-level HC characters", and you guys come in and block out the offender's name, the only difference between doing it to aid griefers in their griefing and doing it to prevent false name-and-shaming is intent. IGN: Ikimashouka, Tsukiyattekudasai, DontCallMeMrFroyo
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" We already have a policy that provides full transparency about griefers and scammers that works 100% of the time. It's called "using the trade screen to make sure you're not being scammed." You are instead advocating for a policy that is: a) Not 100% foolproof, because you can't expect me to memorise a list of names of hundreds of known scammers, especially when scammers can easily make new characters/accounts. b) Could lead to false accusations and unwarranted attacks on people's reputations. Alteration Orb Union Local #7
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" The intent makes all the difference in the world. Sure, you may think that it's a dumb policy, but I'll bet you'd sing a different tune if they revoked this policy and I made 10 threads about 'gilrad is a cheater/hacker/scammer/griefer'. Please familiarize yourself with the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory (GIFT) - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
Realize that the only part of the equation you can affect in the GIFT is the audience. Remove the audience and the trolls merely rant at the air. |
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" Case in point: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/339905 Replace -Name Edited- with your own for maximum effect. Alteration Orb Union Local #7
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honeslty?what? another one of these threads?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_and_shame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation Education is a precious thing, instead of creating one useless topic after antother, people could try to get some. Every singel official games forum handels the matter exactly like GGG, get over it already. To be honest i don`t think discussin with the "let us slander everyone"-people, i would just insta-delet every newly created topic like this one...they just won`t listen or think about it. There`s no argument to be made here, hence there`s no point to these topics. |
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" what do you mean prove a negative? if i stream and i catch him / her even TRYING to scam me and/or admitting to it then they should be shunned. though outside of that i agree with how GGG handles things. and we arent just talking about trading here. people have been killing people in their own parties etc etc. you cant really defend against video evidence either way. |
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" Video evidence would be the only way I *might* support name/shame. As to what I mean by "prove a negative", if I say "Awfeel is a scammer, prove you're not a scammer!" that is "proving a negative". It's similar to "prove you never masturbated", the only way to prove that would be to have 100% of your life on camera. You can prove you masturbated as that's proving a positive and all you'd have to do is show one instance of you masturbating to prove it. To prove you're not a scammer, you'd again have to have 100% of your life on camera to prove it, which isn't feasible. *edit* Removing redundant word removal. Please familiarize yourself with the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory (GIFT) - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 Realize that the only part of the equation you can affect in the GIFT is the audience. Remove the audience and the trolls merely rant at the air. Last edited by CrystalisQualinthi#7541 on Apr 18, 2013, 2:30:10 AM
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