Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a VERY different game from everyone else...

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DarthSki44 wrote:

If 99 people say their experience is "x" and one person says it's "y", and then proceeds to invalidate all other 99 people with whatever explanation, it often rings hollow with me. I'll admit to that.

I never did that, though. If I say "my experiences tell me that lots of people mainly play the story mode", it doesn't in any way, shape or form invalidate anything - unless you read "lots" as "majority", or think I see it as the norm.

The facts here: A VERY small percentage of players play maps/bosses/Maven/whatever.

Several people have explained to you several reasons as to why that might be the case: 10 years of F2P, thousand of players playing before maps/Maven/whatever was a thing. Personal preferences. But you remain firm in your beliefs that it (seemingly only) speaks towards bad progression/tutorial/new player handholding. Have anyone refused that as a factor? Not really (like you seem to do), but they have introduced other potential factors. So don't come here and talk about "feelings", when you interpret every statistic based on yours.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

If 99 people say their experience is "x" and one person says it's "y", and then proceeds to invalidate all other 99 people with whatever explanation, it often rings hollow with me. I'll admit to that.

I never did that, though. If I say "my experiences tell me that lots of people mainly play the story mode", it doesn't in any way, shape or form invalidate anything - unless you read "lots" as "majority", or think I see it as the norm.

The facts here: A VERY small percentage of players play maps/bosses/Maven/whatever.

Several people have explained to you several reasons as to why that might be the case: 10 years of F2P, thousand of players playing before maps/Maven/whatever was a thing. Personal preferences. But you remain firm in your beliefs that it (seemingly only) speaks towards bad progression/tutorial/new player handholding. Have anyone refused that as a factor? Not really (like you seem to do), but they have introduced other potential factors. So don't come here and talk about "feelings", when you interpret every statistic based on yours.

That's not what you said though. You said many people are happy to just play the story mode. The fact is in PoE you cannot do much of anything without first completing the campaign. That doesnt mean people love doing it.

If you were to ask me about my personal thoughts and anecdotes here, it would be that "alot of people" dislike completing campaign for the millionth time, but have no choice if they want to get to maps. But I dont have data to back that up, so I don't do that as a point of fact. (And the 16% I cited are individually tracked so you just have to get to maps ONCE)

Debating what the data means is a far better discussion than simply saying the data is meaningless when compared to an emotional response to the game experience. That's where we diverge. And maybe "meaningless" is hyperbole? Dismissive? Irrelevant? Unfair? I don't know how you want to describe it, but in any case, I do think the data is an important indicator. If you don't, fine, and we can agree to disagree, just to close this out.

I mean, seriously, if emotion and "experience" is what going to dictate how the game should be played, Chris would've told everyone to shut the fuck up and play the game he wanted to make eons ago.

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Z3RoNightMare wrote:

I mean, seriously, if emotion and "experience" is what going to dictate how the game should be played, Chris would've told everyone to shut the fuck up and play the game he wanted to make eons ago.

If someone was a conspiracy theorist, they might conclude that is exactly what CW is doing with Ruthless now that he has cashed out for Multi-Millions.

Get your popcorn ready if that is how PoE2 goes down.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

If someone was a conspiracy theorist, they might conclude that is exactly what CW is doing with Ruthless now that he has cashed out for Multi-Millions.

Get your popcorn ready if that is how PoE2 goes down.

From the current available trailers, one might go into that conclusion. One can also bet his wrath will spread further into league, although THAT is a mighty speculation i'd be happy to be wrong.

On topic, fix that garbage help menu, that's all.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

And the dichotomy here of data vs emotion is a difficult area for me personally. The "notion" that evidence or data can be tossed out or made irrelevant, because of how someone feels, it's again, a difficult hurdle for me to make. The living "my truth" overriding reality situations in today's culture...well, I just don't see it that way.

If 99 people say their experience is "x" and one person says it's "y", and then proceeds to invalidate all other 99 people with whatever explanation, it often rings hollow with me. I'll admit to that.

YOU want to talk about data vs emotion??? You , of all people, wanna talk about "my truth" overriding data?

You sure? Should i quote your responses again? And it was just talk about poe, we didnt bring another certain company that always triggers you

Hoho indeed. I'm not get baited by that dude. Zero chance.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

That's where we diverge.

That's not where we diverge at all. You interpret the data as you see fit, to back up your personal, emotional views - narrowly. I see more than one reason to describe the data.