I'm sick of zoom meta. (Speed creep created bad combat and game balance)

I like poe2 but not 1(condidering its age... its dated.. look how many ppl watch these streams-> that is where you place your money, time, servers, development). While i can play speedy things i love poe2 pace. See beginning of post. While following ppls threads in this post i seem convinced that majority still positively await release of poe2, really like the core and improvements,and do or would play it..in contrary alot voices exist that it is not possible opposite around...alot couldnt get into poe1, as it is for nowadays standards, clunky, and will never play it at all. Face it.. its outdated but had its place.

Again. I like the pace of poe2 too. Great job. :)

Eventually helpful could be to focus only on development of poe2 so it would become the best option based on current pattern - that would help older playerbase too in the long term. See diablo2 - very very very niche playerbase. I know quite many by name.. yet development is nil -> you could go maybe open source but there is no demand due to d4 and poe2. Same happens here soon. It (poe1) may remain niche but development effort likely lacks due to demand.

There was a reason to creating something fully new rather than merging. Seriously.. i dont want to read books to play a game.. i want to have fun and win with skill. Touch design choice.

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Skiller2009#5689 wrote:

I like poe2 but not 1(condidering its age... its dated.. .....

See diablo2 - very very very niche playerbase.

You can not be serious, right? Calling Diablo 2 a niche game with a niche playerbase is mindblowibg. That game is most likely older than you are right now and is is the real orgin of the whole genre. Same goes with your poe1 is dated. Why would it be dated? Learn to read graphs and be amazed to find out that poe1 is growing in playernumbers for more than a decade now!

I never said that it was not good at a given point in time, well cared by blizzard north, abandoned by blizzard, shortly open source without allowance, resurrected and burried seemingly by microsoft - how much content was now delivered in 4 seasons excl. Hotfix. It has a steadily declining player base. Yes, competition here is microsoft backed. I dont overvalue that or see it too concerned, i see poe2 ahead. Be happy. And that as a d2 player..although the game is maybe as old as me - a few years.

Now poe2 moves ahead of d4. Who knows how hard the competition would have been if they had readily 1 studio more working on d4 (for years). Market shares were not fought via diablo2 but d4. I however see already migrating player base... that impact is there.

Now lets see poe1. It was awesome, it delivered, it has probably hard to maintain old code, it is really a bit older, does not look so modern. If i ask friends - 0 speak about it.. only topic which was brought up -> why should someone put effort in a ... horse when such a huge battle is outside being prepared. And they cross fingers for d4 competition -> innovation, development, progress.

Compare twitch poe1 vs poe2 vs d4 vs d2.. take your time.

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Skiller2009#5689 wrote:

Compare twitch poe1 vs poe2......

I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that one of those is NEW! ^^ Let's take a look at those once poe2 is released and has it's 2nd season. :)

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Kaboinglefop#0955 wrote:

UPDATE2: GREAT WORK WITH POE2! This thread is now irrelevant IMO!

Hell no, it is not! It's a beacon of hope for all of us that love a fast game play and as a reminder that POE1-mommy is still there for us! Because the truth is:

Spoiler

Fair. I will keep it alive, since the PoE1 people need to remember that they have their fast zoom sandbox game always one click away to play.

The whole point is to feel powerful and the faster your clear the more powerful you are.

You can't seriously believe anyone who says they enjoy a slower game, its possible they wern't very good at PoE1

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Mmmtastyy#6154 wrote:

The whole point is to feel powerful and the faster your clear the more powerful you are.

You can't seriously believe anyone who says they enjoy a slower game, its possible they wern't very good at PoE1

Game just kept getting easier and easier. After 6+ years, you dont want to be handed the whole game on a spoon.

Majority of friends said - before they stopped supporting the poe1 weekly via shop - that it is getting easier, becoming too clunky, old.

Majority is done on day 2 with campaign approaching endgame and 100. These are often performance players which are bored after week1.. a huge amount of softcore community.. they logout, dont spend any money as its too easy.. and they dont have endgame left. Zoom zoom done. They dont necessarily die more often than hardcore but they can risk to try.

I can tell you that this is true for the good hardcore players too.. not for the mediocre which need alot help.

Nothing to do .. thats what you want? 2.5 month break?

Now this new poe2 game is released. Awesome, and fresh. I enjoy this. Friends are talking about it.

Someone mentioned earlier : how can you speak this way about d2. It made all possible.


i tell you.. development moved on. People dont speak about D One!! But it was needed to create something modern.. d two.. d three .. d4. Yet.. most speak only about d4. Its a generation shift.. favour. Target groups. Some buy with their pocket money.. weekly cosmetics. For sure the new generation which love the franchise.. and they dont .. in .. d1?

Thus development decided to focus and consolidate their support to cater for target groups. Amount of 60 year old players who loved d1 (and complain about d2..) and spend!!!! Money is different than 16 year old target group in the factor of 10000 to 1 or more. Be rather happy that you can encourage development to keep on with the good work.

Player base of d1 is not there any more, d2 would have declined earlier (and is now tiny due to d4/ poe2) if the increased effort would have been given to d4 instead d2.. which may be the rootcause for poe2s coming success. Its about market shares.. not about providing d1 for 30 players online which happily moved to d2 ( with some effort and acceptance)...d3..d4..poe2..

Asked marketing here why poe 1 was split amd not modernized as originally planned. Because new generation want poe2
. Not poe1 version 2. More action and fun.. no need to read books about dated mechanics.. just let me play.. let skill decide.. not theocrafting and than blind buildfollowing.

I even do enjoy free switching of skills/ tree useful to support my creativity.


Maybe that helps: diablo2 sold 180 000 units in week one - lol..are you serious. Guess diablo4.. 666 million revenue.. face it and understand what poe2 achieves here if it stays with the target group.

Stay behind this team modernizing the franchise and if you are clever you give up d1 erm poe1 early because it makes room for d2,d3.. no a better franchise poe2. I would understand if they shut it down (poe one) next year and see the benefits for innovation / and further refining the franchise we all love snd uniting player base/ streamline development. I hope this happens.

I hate double posts as this is so 1995... but this link is too good to pass by.

This player is one of best worldwide.. and what did he post?

https://x.com/lightee7?lang=de
poe2 good

Nothing like - please update poe1.

People move on.

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Skiller2009#5689 wrote:

This player is one of best worldwide..

Now that was a good one! 10/10